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Oversimplification. Our electricity grids are ancient and do a very poor job of load management and power routing during unexpected demand spikes, regardless as to where the power is being sourced from
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Oversimplification. Our electricity grids are ancient and do a very poor job of load management and power routing during unexpected demand spikes, regardless as to where the power is being sourced from
Borzak
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News showed people on the I-10 MS river bridge driving around the barricade lol. No problem at all, what ice?
Power is out in parts of TX rolling due to all the wind mills being offline while they get the ice off of them with a helicopter, everyone at home plus a holiday running the heat all day. Plus the idling of coal mills and no new coal or nuke plants in a loooong time. T. Boone Pickens brougt in a ton of windmills that was gonna fix it. Saw a pic today large farms of them look like they're already 50 years old just sitting there idle with shit falling off them. TX has it's own grid, the rest of you are own your own.
Power is out in parts of TX rolling due to all the wind mills being offline while they get the ice off of them with a helicopter, everyone at home plus a holiday running the heat all day. Plus the idling of coal mills and no new coal or nuke plants in a loooong time. T. Boone Pickens brougt in a ton of windmills that was gonna fix it. Saw a pic today large farms of them look like they're already 50 years old just sitting there idle with shit falling off them. TX has it's own grid, the rest of you are own your own.
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Lanx
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get used to it
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Big Phoenix
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Yes our power grid is ancient, but the problem isnt delivering the power its not having enough power to deliver. A significant portion of Texas' electricity comes "renewables" aka wind/solar, which simply doesnt work in the current conditions;
Reason #2131273 why "green" energy is absolutely retarded. This is the results you get with absolutely fucking stupid energy policies.
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Cybsled
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So once in a century event is your basis for what is otherwise fairly cheap power to mitigate overall energy costs?
That is like saying hydroelectric dams are shit because a super drought hits a state that usually doesn’t deal with that condition and didn’t build their dam to account for reduced water flow.
That is like saying hydroelectric dams are shit because a super drought hits a state that usually doesn’t deal with that condition and didn’t build their dam to account for reduced water flow.
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Ritley
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This shit is going on in the Midwest as well. Kansas City has rolling blackouts and this weather happens nearly every year there.
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Not sure I would call it once in a century. Not sure what the exact temps were in TX, but in 1989 Baton Rouge, LA got down to low single digits as I assume TX was close to that as well. Of course between then and now as T. Boone Pickens and his wind power bullshit.
Cybsled
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There is for sure opportunities. One thing they have been trying to solve for is cheap means of capturing energy to release during demanding times.
They aren’t a fix all and you always do want a diverse energy portfolio: renewables are cheap, but non-renewables can help during less than optimal energy production times.
Ideally one day we get real fusion power and that becomes the real heavy lifter lol
They aren’t a fix all and you always do want a diverse energy portfolio: renewables are cheap, but non-renewables can help during less than optimal energy production times.
Ideally one day we get real fusion power and that becomes the real heavy lifter lol
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Sanrith Descartes
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Its not. We discussed this in the investing thread. The energy market went insane with this usage spike across such a large geographic area and many of the electricity providers didn't hedge so it is cheaper for them to turn off the grid rather than pay insane prices for electricity.
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This is all crazy to me. Here in the MidWest everyone has a gas furnace, and anyone who heats with electric is considered an absolute imbecile. A lot, if not most, people who live outside the city have an alternate heat source, mostly wood stoves. Even in the most extreme cold in the winter, and extreme heat in the summer, we have never had rolling blackouts.
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Sanrith Descartes
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I have my bazillion gallon heating oil tank in the basement feeding my furnace that keeps me nice and warm.
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Some of the natural gas pumping stations are down cause they can't pump at that low a temp apparently.
Parents have electric heat but also a fireplace that has the HVAC duct circulate around it and also butane heaters with a sizable tank. I had natural gas heat in TX and a fireplace that had the HVAC duct circulating around it as well.
The nice thing about natural gas in the past is it never went down. Storms never knocked it out, hurricanes never knocked it out. In the time I had and when I was younger we had it then it never went out, ever.
Parents have electric heat but also a fireplace that has the HVAC duct circulate around it and also butane heaters with a sizable tank. I had natural gas heat in TX and a fireplace that had the HVAC duct circulating around it as well.
The nice thing about natural gas in the past is it never went down. Storms never knocked it out, hurricanes never knocked it out. In the time I had and when I was younger we had it then it never went out, ever.
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Borzak
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During the Obama administration the EPA pushed for and partially funded a "clean" coal power plant. Southern company built it in Kemper county MS. It was budgeted at $1 billion. Goal post were moved over and over and general shit that happens on big projects and projects with the government. End of the day, $7 billion and it was never fired up and now abandoned. Doesn't even sound like real money compared to all the stimulus thrown about.
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Goddam it man, never argue about macroeconomics during a hurricane, winter version.