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Cutlery said:
No, I just mean as a hardcore soda addict for 30+ years, I've got none of those issues or cause for concern. I assume the colon cancer increase would have hit me if it was. My bet is on the super processed foods I've been steadily removing from my diet for about as long
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Bowel cancer rates start to be high in the late 50's
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And each serving per day of soda increase you risk by 18%
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sugar-sweetened beverage and sugar consumption and colorectal cancer incidence and mortality according to anatomic subsite - PubMed

SSB and total fructose consumption were associated with increased incidence and mortality of proximal colon cancer, particularly during later stages of tumorigenesis.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term sugar abuse doesn't have good outcomes, and soda is probably the worst of all form of industrial sugar to consume : it's often consumed outside meals, meaning outside any intake of fiber, meaning it will spike your blood sugar massively, causing inflamation and metabolic disfunction in the long run.
 
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Gurgeh said:
Bowel cancer rates start to be high in the late 50's
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And each serving per day of soda increase you risk by 18%
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sugar-sweetened beverage and sugar consumption and colorectal cancer incidence and mortality according to anatomic subsite - PubMed

SSB and total fructose consumption were associated with increased incidence and mortality of proximal colon cancer, particularly during later stages of tumorigenesis.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term sugar abuse doesn't have good outcomes, and soda is probably the worst of all form of industrial sugar to consume : it's often consumed outside meals, meaning outside any intake of fiber, meaning it will spike your blood sugar massively, causing inflamation and metabolic disfunction in the long run.
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Everything gonna kill ya.

Pick your poison.
 
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Gurgeh said:
Soda is a really, really bad one. Highly addictive, you can consume massive amount without immediat consequence, will fuck up every organ long term.
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Study is bullshit

Each serving of soda increases your chance by 18%?

My chance would be a 9 digit number.

Save the continued responses. I literally do not care.
 
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Survive the next decade - we're at a point where obesity is (sorta) solved via chemicals. With AI and other advances, cancer is probably also on the chopping block.

Mike Isratael, a youtube PhD guy in sports science or kinesiology or whatever, basically laid out what is a reliable sort of metric on advances. If we're at the "A huge portion of the world can lose weight down to reasonable levels with a shot" we're really, really close to "and then cancer likely isn't that bad" area. You just gotta survive long enough for it to become mainstream.

Whether we get paperclip'd or not in that timeframe is up for debate, but we're getting silly close to "Oh my cancer is acting up again" and taking a pill. (Joke, but seriously, maybe not)
 
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Survive the next decade - we're at a point where obesity is (sorta) solved via chemicals. With AI and other advances, cancer is probably also on the chopping block.

Mike Isratael, a youtube PhD guy in sports science or kinesiology or whatever, basically laid out what is a reliable sort of metric on advances. If we're at the "A huge portion of the world can lose weight down to reasonable levels with a shot" we're really, really close to "and then cancer likely isn't that bad" area. You just gotta survive long enough for it to become mainstream.

Whether we get paperclip'd or not in that timeframe is up for debate, but we're getting silly close to "Oh my cancer is acting up again" and taking a pill. (Joke, but seriously, maybe not)
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Whats funny is ozempic/semaglutide made a big splash, but tirzepatide and retatrutide are more powerful and will hopefully get to more fatties. Retatrutide isn't approved yet but probably in the next year or two.
 
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Whats funny is ozempic/semaglutide made a big splash, but tirzepatide and retatrutide are more powerful and will hopefully get to more fatties. Retatrutide isn't approved yet but probably in the next year or two.
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It's almost comical what is in the pipeline. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for hard work and results the slow, sustainable way. But if I can turn LaGeesha into Tanya and not have a roll of fat spilling into my economy flying ass seat? Yeah lets get the drugs to the fatties immediately.
 
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Cutlery said:
Study is bullshit

Each serving of soda increases your chance by 18%?

My chance would be a 9 digit number.

Save the continued responses. I literally do not care.
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Remember years ago when they said eating bacon increased your chance of cancer by 25% and everyone lost their mind? They didn't explain that it was 25% increase of the baseline cancer risk, so if your risk of cancer was .01%, it increased your risk of cancer on that .01 so you now had a .0125% chance of cancer.
 
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Remember years ago when they said eating bacon increased your chance of cancer by 25% and everyone lost their mind? They didn't explain that it was 25% increase of the baseline cancer risk, so if you risk of cancer was .01%, it increased your risk of cancer on that .01 so you now had a .0125% chance of cancer.
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i was making a slightly tongue in cheek joke about soda consumption in my 20s, but yes, this fine too.

But also, let's be fuckin serious about something here. Science is corrupt. Pay for whatever fuckin result you want. I don't care what "a study" says because I don't trust the source.

And here's why I really don't give a shit. I don't drink, ever. My wife was pregnant when we turned 21, so that was just never a thing. I don't smoke, never have. No drug use, no chewing tobacco. No carcinogens. No cigars, no burning vegetation in any forms. I don't eat fast food to almost any degree, haven't since the early 2000's. I'm regimented enough to eat the same food for 2 out of the 3 meals a day every single day. All I want is a fucking Cherry Pepsi/Coke in the evening. I love it. It's the only thing that keeps me on the train. I built it into the calorie counting. It's there every day, I don't give a shit. Its not going away. It's 100% non negotiable.

I have no vices. I don't do anything to deliberately shorten my lifespan. I'm healthy, my blood work is perfect. I lift, I eat better than 95% of people, I track all my calories and I'm accountable to all of it. So I don't actually give a fuck if I'm only gonna live to 87.5 instead of 88 because of a fucking soda.

If anyone wants to piss in my fucking cheerios about soda, let's take a good hard look at the bullshit you eat, eh? I'm willing to bet that most people aren't actually ready to have that conversation.

Fuckin 5g is gonna kill me before Cherry Pepsi is. All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me .....
 
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Gurgeh said:
Bowel cancer rates start to be high in the late 50's

And each serving per day of soda increase you risk by 18%
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sugar-sweetened beverage and sugar consumption and colorectal cancer incidence and mortality according to anatomic subsite - PubMed

SSB and total fructose consumption were associated with increased incidence and mortality of proximal colon cancer, particularly during later stages of tumorigenesis.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Long term sugar abuse doesn't have good outcomes, and soda is probably the worst of all form of industrial sugar to consume : it's often consumed outside meals, meaning outside any intake of fiber, meaning it will spike your blood sugar massively, causing inflamation and metabolic disfunction in the long run.
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Does this soda theory apply to 0 calorie sodas? Because that's pretty much the only soda I've ever drank. Usually a glass a day or so.

Cad said:
Whats funny is ozempic/semaglutide made a big splash, but tirzepatide and retatrutide are more powerful and will hopefully get to more fatties. Retatrutide isn't approved yet but probably in the next year or two.
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I have been a long time natural lifter and it really pains me to see these drugs out there. I've spent close to two decades dieting and lifting and seeing broccoli haired faggots on instagram getting into stage level conditioning (7-8% bodyfat) and flaunting it, pisses me off. I have too much pride to take that route so I'm still struggling the natural way.
 
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Cutlery said:
No, I just mean as a hardcore soda addict for 30+ years, I've got none of those issues or cause for concern. I assume the colon cancer increase would have hit me if it was. My bet is on the super processed foods I've been steadily removing from my diet for about as long
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Fun thing about cancer. It comes when it wants to, as suddenly or slowly as it wants to. Not saying you have it. Not saying your sodas are gonna do it to you. Just saying it's a thing that can happen. And yes, HFCS is one of the biggest changes that has led to the increase in cancers, though Big Corn is putting in the work to keep that from being looked at.

Enjoy your soda. No one gets out of this life alive.
 
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tugofpeace said:
Does this soda theory apply to 0 calorie sodas? Because that's pretty much the only soda I've ever drank. Usually a glass a day or so.



I have been a long time natural lifter and it really pains me to see these drugs out there. I've spent close to two decades dieting and lifting and seeing broccoli haired faggots on instagram getting into stage level conditioning (7-8% bodyfat) and flaunting it, pisses me off. I have too much pride to take that route so I'm still struggling the natural way.
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Artificial sweeteners are likely to damage gut bacteria, which could translate into increased risk of everything (auto immune disorders, alzeihmer's, cancer...) but the increase in risk is difficult to measure in actual studies, unlike actual sugar. Therefore the increase in risk is at least 10x more for actual sugar than for artificial sweeteners.

If diet coke is your only vice, and one glass per day, the risk is really really minuscule, especialy if you avoid other food with dubious additives.

Stevia is also probably safer (possibly, not just even safer but just safe).
 
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