Westworld

Xevy said:

I think Ford is a Host. He was the Master Mold host that Arnold built to help him. Arnold was the creative aspect and Ford was his technical guy. When Arnold decided to make more of Ford by giving his other hosts sentience, Ford had him killed. Directly or indirectly. The "partner that didn't exist" was probably actually Ford because he was built. I don't know if they name swapped or what, but Ford even says that basically no one is left from their early park days except Doloroes, and a roundabout way, Bernard.

It's the modern neo-Frankenstein story. Benevolent creator makes something that in the end turns on him. Seeks to create it's own creations to achieve true 'life'. Kills anyone/everyone who gets in its way.

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I like this, except we've seen Ford as a young man, first in Ford's memory of the park before it opened, then in the last episode when Dolores walks right past him. Hosts don't age, so that wouldn't make any sense.

Also, I think at this point it's pretty obvious that William is the MIB. Everything that the MIB has said points to this being the case. I just don't see Logan as a guy who would give a shit about Dolores at all to keep revisiting her in the park. It's makes more sense that William, who's in love with Dolores, would keep visiting her year after year in the park. It also makes more sense because Logan said in episode 2 that he wanted to see who William really was, and it's revealed in episode 8 that the MIB admitted that he had a dark side that he tried to keep hidden for 30 plus years, and that he finally took on that persona in the park a year ago when his wife committed suicide. It also fits in to the MIB saying that he was "born" in the park. At this point, Logan being the MIB would be a cheap misdirection and pretty lame. The MIB goes through a catharsis in the park. That fits more with William than it does with Logan.

People who believe it's possible that Logan is the MiB must have some disorder involving facial recognition. No natural aging process would turn Ben Barnes into Ed Harris.

if we are assuming that, then we have to look at them hiring jimmi simpson to make a believable young ed harris... eh?



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yeah no.

sneakyflute said:

People who believe it's possible that Logan is the MiB must have some disorder involving facial recognition. No natural aging process would turn Ben Barnes into Ed Harris.

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That's exactly the kind of logic I'd expect from a replicant.

Araxen said:

The whole killing the board thing seems so stupid. Killing the board off will set off massive red flags to the real world and the park could be shutdown because of the slaughtering of the board members.

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Westworld itself could just be one giant, story driven distraction incorporated into Futureworld. Ford killing off board members to hold on to his position as the god of his little pocket reality could just be the end-game storyline of that particular part of the larger buffet of leisure.

Royal said:

Westworld itself could just be one giant, story driven distraction incorporated into Futureworld. Ford killing off board members to hold on to his position as the god of his little pocket reality could just be the end-game storyline of that particular part of the larger buffet of leisure.

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And if you want to do 5 seasons of a show what better way than to go this route while still paying homage to the original movies...

j00t said:

uhm... yes? when did that happen?

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I thought at the very beginning of their little meeting, right after getting in that office. I am going to watch it again on go today and if I am right I will give time stamps.

Bernard controls the hospital with his kid in his "memory" he was breaking through. Don't think Ford was involved.

I just took it as Hackers-flying-through-the-servers rendering of Bernard breaking through his Cornerstone memory so he could really really for realz remember.

I think William is probably the Man in Black, because they've been dropping a lot of hints towards this conclusion, and as we all saw in the last episode, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and Bernard is just Arnold. The internet is just too smart for this kind of show to keep its secrets under wraps for very long.

My reasons for believing MiB = William :

- Vague resemblance (blonde, blue eyes, I'm ready to handwave the face mole away because sometimes you just want a good actor and not a clone that can't act).
- Both mention books and stories a lot (William says he lived all his childhood in books and stories, and MiB mentions how the world is full of stories but this one is the only one that matters).
- Timeline consistency : William visits Westworld around 30 years prior to current events, and MiB says he has been coming here for 30 years.
- They both know Dolores : William met Dolores 30 years ago, and MiB tells her he's been coming here for 30 years but he's jaded that she doesn't remember him every time.
- They use the same knife (William chose his in his dressing room, MiB just stabs people with it a lot).
- MiB says the hosts "used to be beautiful, with all these intricate milion parts inside", and as we saw, William not only saw Dolores' robo-guts but also dismembered and butchered a whole bunch of soldiers.
- MiB says "in a sense I was born here", and William basically tells Dolores that this is the first time in his life he has been feeling really alive.
- MiB mentions he was married for 30 years then his wife committed suicide, and we know William is supposed to get married soon after his stay at Westworld, which was 30 years ago.
- William is getting so invested into the "game" that he doesn't want to go back to his world, and MiB hates having his immersion broken so much he threatens other visitors who remind him of the outside.

Yeah, that's the thing. EVERYONE has thought billy was the MIB since episode 2.

I just won't buy it. Too easy.

I'd rather the MIB be someone completely unknown or unseen as yet. I feel the same about rye in star wars.....please stop everyone knowing/related to each other, it's lame!!

Warflagon said:

Yeah, that's the thing. EVERYONE has thought billy was the MIB since episode 2.

I just won't buy it. Too easy.

I'd rather the MIB be someone completely unknown or unseen as yet. I feel the same about rye in star wars.....please stop everyone knowing/related to each other, it's lame!!

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I've said it before, but it's worth repeating: out of all of my friends and family members who watch the show, NONE of them have even guessed yet that William=MIB. It is clever writing, just that it was spoiled for most of us because of people posting all over the Internet about it. Would most of us have guessed it by now without the spoilers? Probably, but I definitely didn't have it figured out after only episode 2. A lot of people turn their brains off when they watch a TV show, they're not necessarily watching it as intuitively as the people who post here.

OU Ariakas said:

Dude, we are talking about the writers of Lost. Did you watch even one whole season of that show? They are the laziest story tellers when it comes to twists and usually default to deus ex machina to bail them out of even the shallowest plot twist.

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I'll go you one better. I've never seen a single episode of lost.

Lol at comparing the writing to lost. It's clearly nowhere near flawless, but come on. Maybe whoever came up with the Maeve garbage was getting pointers from JJ or something, but on the whole? Nah.