What amount would you need to be "done" with a regular job

Dashel

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What's the dollar amount you'd need in a lump sum to say you're set for life. Not in terms of no more income needed ever, but enough to say you would not have a 9-5 job. You could maintain your current lifestyle or a level you are comfortable with.

I'm just thinking about this question lately. I'm planning to build my business up to a level where I can sell it for this number. I have a mortgage, 2 kids in school, and all the extras of a middle class suburban family. Cars, camps, food, vacations, events, activities for the kids etc etc etc.

I know there are FIRE calculators out there, e.g. When Can I Retire? Early Retirement Calculator / FIRE Calculator - Engaging Data

But I'm trying to figure out what I'd need to... pay my mortgage, have enough for 2 college funds, buy a rental income property.. maybe a beach or lake house... that kind of thing. Or maybe sell my house and move somewhere cheaper to live. So many decisions.

Anyway, my random number is 2 million. Plus a side business that's mostly passive pulling in 5-10k a month.
 
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Ritley

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A side business that passively pulls in 5-10k per month huh? At 10k/month my number would be about $0
 
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My lifestyle has crept like crazy with my Wife and I's income and her windfall from an IPO. Probably 10million would let us retire and live our lifestyle. That would be 20 years of income at our current salary I figure... (including what we hold now)

Biggest hit for us is that we are sending our son to a Private School that teaches Chinese, Arabic, Spanish (and of course English). Not a cheap school at all... but was the only non-Chinese school we could find that teaches Chinese. Thinking about a second kid so... ugg.
 
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Lenardo

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what ritley said..
you said 2 mil in bank and the side job.

with that "passive" income doing say 90k a year -midrange of what you have for the income
payoff mortgage, get 2 mil in the bank.
with that side job, unless you are an idiot with money you are set for life, or until your kids go to college and even then, it would just put a dent into your savings, @90k a year- with the mortgage paid off, you just have taxes, utilities, and "spending money" of that 60k net(after taxes) shouldn't be spending much more than 40k thus you gain 20k a year. plus a decent interest rate(without trying hard) for your 2 mill (say 2%) that is another 40k a year you are making) you are set.


college for the 2 kids, set aside say 320k for both combined (160k each- that is 40k a year) my son's -match- program for umaine is ~32k a year for tuition("match" is tuition match, you pay your instate university tuition instead of the flat out of state tuition, saves ~15k a year). a for private college that number is can be 60k a year or more depending- and out of state tuitions even for relatively inexpensive schools can be...daunting (clemson is ~60k a year out of state).
 
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I will never achieve this status, so I really have no idea, but how much would you have to pay per month towards the end of your life just in medical insurance? I know there is a lot of stuff like Medicare/Medicaid that old people are on, but I don't have any clue how that works or how much they have to pay. I also assume they are fairly shit-tier in terms of service. Add in possible nursing home/in-home assistance costs as well, because you never know if one of you (or both) needs constant care for years or even decades if you get really unlucky. So for me, those numbers are the biggest unknown, because you don't want to run out at that stage even if you've had a super-comfortable life before then. On top of that, any passive income you have might end if situations like those pop up, unless they are truly "passive" and don't require you to do anything else but be alive.
 

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My parents have medicare but they have supplimental that a lot of people use that suppliments what medicare doesn't pay. I'm not sure what their cost is. My parents get just over $3k/month in social security and it's used for stuff like that. I'm sure the supplimental comes in variety of types, cost, and such.
 

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I did one of those calculators on a whim earlier this year, and discovered that I'm about 5 years from having the retirement income (at 40) from pensions at 62 to equal what I already spend and the calculator said 0 dollars needed to be saved. I think I have some depression era gene, because I fucking hate spending money on anything other than furry porn.
 
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My lifestyle has crept like crazy with my Wife and I's income and her windfall from an IPO. Probably 10million would let us retire and live our lifestyle. That would be 20 years of income at our current salary I figure... (including what we hold now)

Biggest hit for us is that we are sending our son to a Private School that teaches Chinese, Arabic, Spanish (and of course English). Not a cheap school at all... but was the only non-Chinese school we could find that teaches Chinese. Thinking about a second kid so... ugg.

Brother, with the numbers you are quoting then your duty to the United States is to have 4 or more kids! Get on it!
 

Vinen

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Brother, with the numbers you are quoting then your duty to the United States is to have 4 or more kids! Get on it!

Fuck no. 1 kid already makes me go crazy. My wife looks like an anime character (cut-mark above and below eye in straight line) and I look like my forehead was raked across asphalt.

Companies should sell knives claiming they are as sharp as toddler nails. He wasn't stuck on a plane for 3 hours with his parents... we were stuck with him. (And the bitchy stewardess who was HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING DOWN WITH HIS SEAT BELT ON. My wife literally asked her to tell him that... she left and shutup then.)

//At 4 kids I would be a stay at home dad :diedinside:. Wife is the one with a career on a crazy trajectory.
 
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Just get to 1 or 2 million and tell your kids they’re paying for their own school and good luck.

Problem solved enjoy your life
 
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Dashel

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My lifestyle has crept like crazy with my Wife and I's income and her windfall from an IPO. Probably 10million would let us retire and live our lifestyle. That would be 20 years of income at our current salary I figure... (including what we hold now)

Biggest hit for us is that we are sending our son to a Private School that teaches Chinese, Arabic, Spanish (and of course English). Not a cheap school at all... but was the only non-Chinese school we could find that teaches Chinese. Thinking about a second kid so... ugg.

Right so 20 years of current salary for us would already be over 6 million ... damn. That's crazy to think about. That's top line though before taxes. If I moved to someplace even remotely less expensive than a NYC suburb it would be much easier. We don't even do private schooling, which would be another ton of money on top of everything.

Realistically though, after college and the mortgage, that's a lot less we'd have to worry about. Food, cars, health insurance, home upkeep, vacations, still seems like a lot. Especially if you want to leave anything for the kids. It's pretty daunting but I feel like I'm over estimating.
 

Vinen

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Right so 20 years of current salary for us would already be over 6 million ... damn. That's crazy to think about. That's top line though before taxes. If I moved to someplace even remotely less expensive than a NYC suburb it would be much easier. We don't even do private schooling, which would be another ton of money on top of everything.

Realistically though, after college and the mortgage, that's a lot less we'd have to worry about. Food, cars, health insurance, home upkeep, vacations, still seems like a lot. Especially if you want to leave anything for the kids. It's pretty daunting but I feel like I'm over estimating.

Yeah we are doing private school mainly for language learning. We want our son to be fluent in Chinese and Arabic. Spanish is just a bonus.

Too many schools stick to useless languages like French and Spanish. I want my son to learn Business Languages.
 

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4 million. About 100k salary for the next 40 years. And you could make side income off that amount with investments etc, if you wanted. Otherwise I could easily live comfortably and still have fun, buy toys at 100k salary for the next 40 years.
 

Lenardo

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20 YEARS at my current pay rate w/my wife's would be ~4 million. at that time i will be 72 and wife 69....

i get the next promotion for work(have to pass a fucking 2hr test and i have not yet passed it- i passed the 6 hr national test, just not the state one)) and my pay alone would be over 3 million over the next 20.
 

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We're done with mortgage, and we have enough put away for each of our kids' education. We could likely live off our investments indefinitely, but we love to travel a lot. I'm still pulling in income from a side business, and my wife still works about half time. I'm 45, and I anticipate continuing doing what I'm doing until about 60. I love it, and I only work about 15 hours a week, and that's super flexible.

To quit everything now, and have no more income isn't something I'd like to even consider. I'm too young.
 

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I sure hope all you guys saying below 10 million have lifetime 100% medical. 300-500k a month for dialysis sure as shit adds up.
 

Dashel

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Healthcare is a big one. We'd always maintain a good health insurance plan. When my wife was between jobs for a few months we had to get a plan outside work and it's expensive as shit, for not amazing coverage, but there were max out of pocket amounts.

The reality is we'll probably both work for a long time to come. It will just be a matter of if we are both doing more freelance or work from home type stuff as needed. Get rid of the city commute for her, and I'll do something similar to what I do now. Work from anywhere lifestyle is acceptable if I can't retire outright.
 

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For those of you thinking of retirement, and especially early retirement, what do you imagine doing afterward?