Noodleface
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Uh dude. Those players either never make it to the DDR phase or instantly die. Possibly 6 miles away from the rest of the raid.
Poll Who here hates raiding?
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Tuco
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You could balance it such that you get both, yeah. And it'd depend on the social dynamics and inertia as well. If the next EQ expansion, for example, had this and the gear was good enough to make the previous expansion's gear obsolete, you'd see guilds do the raid contents at least once, then probably take a back seat on it depending on their leadership and culture. Some guilds would probably keep their raid schedule if only to continue to have an active raiding force for the next expansion.
xzi
Mouthbreather
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I didn't mean us! haha. Until I joined this guild it was all pug life. The horror.
Kreugen
Vyemm Raider
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One thing I can say for certain: WoW is the only game where I find that raiding is still fun / tolerable. In all other games your enemy is either the interface, the organ-like hotkeys, performance, the downtime, the playerbase, and a multitude of other factors that WoW has spoiled us on.
WoW also has the advantage of being able to drop the game and come back practically on a whim.
WoW also has the advantage of being able to drop the game and come back practically on a whim.
Malinatar
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In the past yes, now not really. Family, job, other obligations are obviously the biggest problem. Another problem I have is the age of people. Hanging w/ 20 somethings (I'm almost 42) talking about stupid shit that I haven't cared about for more than a decade and big dick dps/hps waving just gets old. Also, the patience of these younger "kids" bothers me. Even in LFR, you mean to tell me w/ EN being out for one week, you need to link your achieve and put out over 200K dps/hps? Fuck you...
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Skanda
I'm Amod too!
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I've found over the past 5 years or so that I've turned almost completely antisocial in games. I have zero interest in raiding anymore and I can't even be bothered to group in MMOs. The few I do actually play anymore I just solo my way through the leveling process and then dump it because the thought of end game grinding repulses me. It's not just MMOs either. Any multiplayer game falls in this category for me now.
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Elsebet
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I really enjoyed raiding in vanilla, although it took a toll on life due to the severe time commitment. We spent 7 evenings a week with our guild and the people didn't change much as we progressed from AQ20-> Naxx. We made friends that we met in real life and still keep in touch with today. Very few of them still play the game though. Our first boss kill in MC as a guild was met with congratulatory tells from the other big name guilds. There was an intense pride I felt in being a member of that guild and it made all the hours worth it. When we first killed the hurdle bosses like Ragnaros, Nefarion, even Huhuran and our first Instructor Raxuvious kill it was an amazing moment in the guild and on voice chat.
I've not really had a similar guild experience in any other MMO (didn't raid much in TBC due to vanilla burnout). I don't think it will ever happen again and that's ok. It's a good memory. I sometimes feel like that old person saying "Back in my day..." when I wax nostalgic on that time period. Current modern raiding is more convenient and inclusive but just feels a little less epic.
I've not really had a similar guild experience in any other MMO (didn't raid much in TBC due to vanilla burnout). I don't think it will ever happen again and that's ok. It's a good memory. I sometimes feel like that old person saying "Back in my day..." when I wax nostalgic on that time period. Current modern raiding is more convenient and inclusive but just feels a little less epic.
Noodleface
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Goddamn it we need to make the raids more epic for else. I'm gonna play power metal and scream the whole time.
Koushirou
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Not a biased sounding poll at all!
I've loved the shit out of raiding ever since my first raids in EQ. Getting a huge group of people together to defeat large bosses was just awesome to me back then. Once I switched to WoW, I knew I wanted to raid there too and at a high level. The guild I'm trialing with is currently #60 US. I raid 12 hours a week during the weekdays, and still manage to have plenty of time to hang out with my boyfriend, take care of the apartment, etc. IDK, maybe I just have a different definition of poop-socking after doing it this long, but I really don't think that raiding is as crazy as people make it out to be all the time. I constantly see people claiming there's no way they'll even do normal mode raids because it's just too much of a commitment and I just don't see how. It's easier than ever to grab groups for that shit in WoW.
As to why I enjoy it? The people I play with and the rush from finishing a challenge. Sure, on harder difficulties there's going to eventually be a bit of head-banging on certain bosses, but goddamn there isn't a better feeling in all the MMOs I've played than finally downing that boss you've worked so hard on. The wave of relief and accomplishment, celebrating with friends, and a hard, tangible step of progression. I've always loved my own reactions of stepping into a new mythic boss for the first time and thinking to myself "how the fuck are we supposed to handle ALL this shit?" and before I know it, that thought is turning into "holy shit, we can DO this!" Maybe it's because I lead a rather boring life in which I don't really have many things I'm good at, but for me it's an empowering feeling I guess.
I've loved the shit out of raiding ever since my first raids in EQ. Getting a huge group of people together to defeat large bosses was just awesome to me back then. Once I switched to WoW, I knew I wanted to raid there too and at a high level. The guild I'm trialing with is currently #60 US. I raid 12 hours a week during the weekdays, and still manage to have plenty of time to hang out with my boyfriend, take care of the apartment, etc. IDK, maybe I just have a different definition of poop-socking after doing it this long, but I really don't think that raiding is as crazy as people make it out to be all the time. I constantly see people claiming there's no way they'll even do normal mode raids because it's just too much of a commitment and I just don't see how. It's easier than ever to grab groups for that shit in WoW.
As to why I enjoy it? The people I play with and the rush from finishing a challenge. Sure, on harder difficulties there's going to eventually be a bit of head-banging on certain bosses, but goddamn there isn't a better feeling in all the MMOs I've played than finally downing that boss you've worked so hard on. The wave of relief and accomplishment, celebrating with friends, and a hard, tangible step of progression. I've always loved my own reactions of stepping into a new mythic boss for the first time and thinking to myself "how the fuck are we supposed to handle ALL this shit?" and before I know it, that thought is turning into "holy shit, we can DO this!" Maybe it's because I lead a rather boring life in which I don't really have many things I'm good at, but for me it's an empowering feeling I guess.
Kuro
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Been raiding basically non-stop since Kunark, I've overall enjoyed it the entire time. I don't have any dependents though, so I didn't make the choice to have spawn consuming my free time, so raid schedules still work for me.
Raiding is the bit of MMOs that still reminds me of my D&D roots; getting together with a group of fellow close-friend nerds a couple days a week to spend 4 hours slaying the dragon while trading in-jokes and terrible puns. Definitely entered the MMO Genre from the RPG direction, not the Video-Game Direction, and those two playerbases seem to have very different wants and "shit willing to put up with."
Raiding is the bit of MMOs that still reminds me of my D&D roots; getting together with a group of fellow close-friend nerds a couple days a week to spend 4 hours slaying the dragon while trading in-jokes and terrible puns. Definitely entered the MMO Genre from the RPG direction, not the Video-Game Direction, and those two playerbases seem to have very different wants and "shit willing to put up with."
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goishen
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I used to raid in WoW, not anymore. I think I raided seriously (meant as, not LFR) all the way up through MoP. Now, I'm just meh. I don't care about it anymore. I don't feel like watching the shitty videos of "Don't stand in the fire!". I'm tired of the "best" walking around smacking every little n00b out of the way. I'm just tired of it all. If you honestly think about most bosses in WoW have three main events. Whether that be phases or just simply activities or debuffs.
That's it. Once you learn those three, all you've gotta do is practice and you'll get the boss down, no matter what alpha male of the group says. "lol, you've gotta have a certain amount of DPS for me." And that shit gets old after a while.
/smackhead
That's it. Once you learn those three, all you've gotta do is practice and you'll get the boss down, no matter what alpha male of the group says. "lol, you've gotta have a certain amount of DPS for me." And that shit gets old after a while.
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Didn't you get that feeling from just doing group stuff?
Raids could be epic but the whole genre turned to crap when everyone started copying WoW. Before that, everyone had their own ideas and ran with it. I remember Shadowbane with catapults and stuff blowing up the walls of some peoples castle and then we could get inside and capture it. That was in 2003 or something, but now it is all big budget slick cookie cutter copies of the previous slick WoW clone. There's WoW with Rifts, WoW in Elder Scrolls world, WoW with little cartoon kiddie characters, WoW with Chinese people, WoW with Koreans, WoW with yak escorts, etc. The problem is the only company that is ever going to try something different now, is an indie company, and indie companies have tiny budgets.
Raiding is boring. Lead Nagafen/Vox raids as a kid, was in shitter EQ raid guilds, was in some of the premiere US raiding guilds for WoW Vanilla - WOTLK. Done it once, done it all.
Large scale PVP raiding is a lot more interesting -- especially in the days of old (DAoC before tryhard 8v8ing) and PlanetSide (the original). Some of my greatest memories in large scale raiding were actually just doing base holdouts or attacks with around 30 guys in PlanetSide. The human element is just a lot more appealing.
Large scale PVP raiding is a lot more interesting -- especially in the days of old (DAoC before tryhard 8v8ing) and PlanetSide (the original). Some of my greatest memories in large scale raiding were actually just doing base holdouts or attacks with around 30 guys in PlanetSide. The human element is just a lot more appealing.
Cybsled
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I like raiding, but I do not like "lol 2nd job raiding gogogo". I like the idea of a bigger more epic dungeon that you can roll through with folks and maybe hit a few bumps in the road, but I don't have the patience anymore for the EQ1/hardcore raiding mindset anymore.
So basically LFR or maybe the occasional regular raid once people understand how the encounters work.
PVP raids can be fun (like Archeage castle sieges), but the downside is the enjoyment is directly related to how many people are playing. There is also a greater incentive for hackers in PVP games.
So basically LFR or maybe the occasional regular raid once people understand how the encounters work.
PVP raids can be fun (like Archeage castle sieges), but the downside is the enjoyment is directly related to how many people are playing. There is also a greater incentive for hackers in PVP games.
