Poll Who here hates raiding?

2002User said:

Large scale PVP raiding is a lot more interesting -- especially in the days of old (DAoC before tryhard 8v8ing) and PlanetSide (the original).

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Agreed. All MMORPG devs should be forced to play Arma3 warfare.

Kuro said:

I think the preferences are just people being wired differently, large-scale PVP basically does nothing for me.

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In Arma2/3 there is large scale PVP that also has PVE within it, and you can choose to do whatever you want. Basically there is a country with 50 cities that need to be captured, and 2 teams that try to capture all the cities. But the cities are defended by AI soldiers, so if you travel to some far away city and try to capture it yourself or with a team, it will just be you vs AI. Only when you start nearing the front line will you have to attack the AI while also keeping an eye out for enemy players who will try to take you out. It is also super fun because it is based on money like Counterstrike but bigger and better, so you start with a basic rifle and a quad bike to travel around, and a bit later you can buy a humvee with a cannon on top and some AI soldiers to help and you buy yourself a night vision sniper rifle, then a bit later you start driving tanks which are awesome, and if you play to the end, you eventually end up flying gunships or jets and destroying everyone.

Secrets said:

I wish EQ2 didn't have raiding. That game had some of the best group instances that no one did, except in maybe Shadow Odyssey because there was BIS gear from 6-man content.

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I'd say the same about every MMO. Raiding ruins these games, everyone becomes obsessed with it and the group content gets forgotten. And also once people start getting raid gear, the group content becomes too easy. Doing Sebilis when everyone is in an SMR and silversilk leggings etc, is tense as hell. V challenging and v fun, all those wizard mobs can basically 1 shot players. But once everyone has raid gear you just steamroll through all those places.

Pasteton said:

However I feel like this thread was started with a misanthropic point of view which I disagree with. Certainly a multi boxing aspie wouldn't like raiding. I enjoy the social aspect of raiding

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Yeah I should have included a fourth option, "I like it because I have no life or friends and I forgot chatrooms still exist."

I like the idea of sieges but they always turn out boring and spammy ganky nonsense. I think the most fun I had was the big battleground thing in WoW, the snowy place whatever that was. I really enjoyed that. I would much rather do stuff like that than traditional raiding. But even the BG's got boring doing the exact same place over and over and also class balance was super bad. I played ESO, Archeage, and BDO but only for a few hours each. I can't stand how they play for levelling up, the hand holding makes my brain melt. The end game would have to be extraordinary for me to suffer through that mindless grind. IMO smaller budget games should just have no raids, or just 1 or 2 simple raids like Naggy and Vox. Quality over quantity and save the budget for levelling journey and the group content. And huge budget MMO's should have some epic masterpiece of raiding like Planetside or that Arma thing I said. They should make it so that raiding isn't separate to what you do the rest of the time. Make it so that game world is in a constant battle between two or 3 factions, and the front lines are constantly getting pushed back and forth and players can just head to the front lines and join into it the war whenever they want to. And it should be hundreds of people not this 36 people vs 1 dragon crap. There should be 36 people vs 1 dragon, but just to capture a tower or something while another 36 people are just over the hill trying to capture something else, and another 50 people are going around the back to try and flank etc, and then some players are flying overhead on dragons trying to support people etc. Truly epic raiding.

When EQ first showed up in 1999, I knew it was awesome but I also knew it was very limited in scope, and as it got popular, I assumed this gigantic game in my dreams would soon be made by someone once the budgets picked up etc. But 17 years later it never got made and nowadays it seems like nobody even has the vision for something big and different. It is just dozens of games all the same, with weak generic disposable level grinds and then some half baked endgame on top. And a bit of crafting/farmville on the side.

gLobal said:

I'd like to see a game try challenging solo progression like AA, story campaigns, boons, gear upgrades, feats, that sort of thing.

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The first 20 levels of Age of Conan were like that and I loved every minute. Then it ended and turned into a crappy typical MMO. What a con. The Secret World is similar but much better. I love so much about TSW.

AoC was completely garbage, but TSW was only about 80% garb. The locations were great, I loved the mood, the creepy deserted theme park was awesome, and the forests. Also the 'dungeons' were fun. For a while anyway. TSW would have made such an awesome single player game if they removed all the shit and just focused on the good bits. My dream MMO would be parts of TSW.