Windows 8

Zodiac_sl said:

exactly

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I don't think you know what that word means, Z
Anywho, it's bloated, it's annoyingly big, it autostarts. It's different on annoying key points. MS know this and will fix it for the rest of us. Enjoy

Izo_sl said:

I don't think you know what that word means, Z

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how does office run differently on windows 7 than it does on 8

I don't mind windows 8 too much, but having to enter the full screen start menu just to open anything that's not pinned to the taskbar is fairly annoying. When I have three spreadsheets open and I'm really focused the last thing I want is to be thrust into the tilt interface and lose sight of what I'm working on. Previously, the start menu was nice and unobtrusive, and I could open up programs using my peripheral vision while I was still viewing whatever windows I had open. That isn't an option in windows 8. Like I said, it is a minor nitpick, but it provides zero benefit unless I'm using a touch interface and it is certainly less convenient than it was before. And that's without even mentioning the lack of folders in the start menu - the grouping system they replaced it with is way worse and slower to navigate even after using it for months.

Zodiac_sl said:

how does office run differently on windows 7 than it does on 8

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You're losing focus - start button / metro was the subject of everyone's complaint.
I'm using office 2013 which is different from 2010. Ditched 2010 when I upgraded, so no idea if 2010 runs differently on Windows 8 vs 7. I'm guessing no to minor difference? If I need to use the start menu though, metro steals focus. Super annoying.

Pinch_sl said:

I don't mind windows 8 too much, but having to enter the full screen start menu just to open anything that's not pinned to the taskbar is fairly annoying. When I have three spreadsheets open and I'm really focused the last thing I want is to be thrust into the tilt interface and lose sight of what I'm working on. Previously, the start menu was nice and unobtrusive, and I could open up programs using my peripheral vision while I was still viewing whatever windows I had open. That isn't an option in windows 8. Like I said, it is a minor nitpick, but it provides zero benefit unless I'm using a touch interface and it is certainly less convenient than it was before. And that's without even mentioning the lack of folders in the start menu - the grouping system they replaced it with is way worse and slower to navigate even after using it for months.

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^This

Izo_sl said:

You're losing focus - start button / metro was the subject of everyone's complaint.

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Just so we are clear, the reason windows 8 sucks is because it's missing the start button and while your working in a desktop application using the start screen makes you lose focus on that application? Other than the visuals, it's the same system, you could never multitask - the start menu has always "stole focus" it just hasn't been full screen.

Meh, I like the 8 Start Screen much better.

It is basically a giant version of "Pin" part of the old one, which is really the only part I ever use anyway (still have 7 at work). I don't use any other part of it except the type to search. Anything I use with any frequency gets pinned to the taskbar or put on the desktop in either OS anyway.

Also, I like the live tiles and HUD pop-ups.

Zodiac_sl said:

Just so we are clear, the reason windows 8 sucks is because it's missing the start button and while your working in a desktop application using the start screen makes you lose focus on that application? Other than the visuals, it's the same system, you could never multitask - the start menu has always "stole focus" it just hasn't been full screen.

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Comon, you can't be that dense. Windows 8 doesn't suck as a whole. The redesign of the start button experience does. Especially to those whom work, emphasis on work, with desktop applications. A full screen start menu is annoying and totally unnecesary for the vast majority of actions in relation to this. You don't cover up a your book if you want to look in a dictionary, see the related graphics or pick up a pencil etc. - this is what full screen start menu does to power users. This is stealing focus. It's a pain on the ass and a step backwards. Drag and drop to the desktop or other desktop apps is also not possible and / or counterintuitive. That's not even touching on multi monitors. Try hitting the mouse areas with multiple monitors or even using a metro app and multitask to the other monitors.
TLDR; Metro is for simpletons and touch screens, not serious power users or business oriented work. Those are my 2 cents anyway. Thankfully MS will fix most of this with 8.1.

Actually the start menu is way better with multi monitor because you can devote a monitor to it.

I'm puzzled why any power user who has major complaints with Windows 8 believes that the 8.1 release will fix anything. Adding a start button will help users with a low level computer literacy but nothing Microsoft has spoken about thus far addresses the core problem that the paradigm was designed for non-PC devices.

Windows 8 is still installed on my personal laptop and I still dislike it as much today as I did 8-months ago, the only reason it hasn't been removed is that I primarily use other machines.

Just loaded up vs2012 for the first time. UI looks like something from a first year CS course with the flat colors and MENUS IN ALL CAPS LOL. I really hate the Windows 8 theme and find it pretty telling that the first thing Google auto-complete suggests when I type in "vs2012" is themes.

As I've said before, just use Start 8 from Stardock. You get the Win7 start button and menus back and it'll boot straight to desktop. You never have to see the tile screen again.

Luthair_sl said:

I'm puzzled why any power user who has major complaints with Windows 8 believes that the 8.1 release will fix anything. Adding a start button will help users with a low level computer literacy but nothing Microsoft has spoken about thus far addresses the core problem that the paradigm was designed for non-PC devices.

Windows 8 is still installed on my personal laptop and I still dislike it as much today as I did 8-months ago, the only reason it hasn't been removed is that I primarily use other machines.

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What are these "power user" features you are missing from Windows 8 that you had on Windows 7?

What the fuck is a power user?

I brought my mother in law out for a new laptop yesterday. Uses her current old machine (xp) for gmail, skype, facebook and messenger. Mostly to communicate with relatives. Pretty much the target market.

Her reaction to Windows 8 (which was similar to the 2 other couples browsing laptops and tablets)

WTH is with all the boxes (metro)?

I don't like all these extra steps and new menus. Why is everything listed like that? Its so different, I really don't like how it looks. It all blends in together.

Why is that hidden like that?

Ok so I click the E for internet?

Where are my bookmarks?

They have to go with all the boxes? That is stupid why would I want to clutter that up more than it already is? The old one made more sense and worked better.

So there are two computers then? This desktop thing that they stripped down and the boxes? Who the hell thought that was a good idea it to add all this half baked new stuff with less features and more confusion while removing the stuff that worked well like the old version. I don't like this.

Where is the Start button? So I have to go back to the boxes to do x? Forget this.

What is that over there?

Me: Some android tablets

Oh wow so easy to use and look how neat that looks I can have the weather on my screen. Push that for skype, push that for face book, push that to go back. Wow this is so easy.

Can I get a keyboard? Ok thanks you for bringing me I think the tablet will work better, can you grab that for me and lets go check out.

Adebisi_sl said:

You should Chromebook the mom-in-law.

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I showed her and that would of worked perfectly but for the lack of a skype app.

Adebisi_sl said:

Users that want to POWER down their compy without needing a how-to.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Adebisi.
That tablet 'feature' really rustles my jimmies, haha

The Ancient_sl said:

What are these "power user" features you are missing from Windows 8 that you had on Windows 7?

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Re-arrange windows as I choose (not merely horizontal split), taskbar for applications, menu that doesn't needlessly consume an entire screen, combined search results regardless of category, and importantly the ability to install softwarefrom wherever the fuck I feel like it.

Going back to the regular user front: the OS treating metro and desktop applications as different things, hidden controls, and general UX problems.