Oh he went to jail alright - Federal assrape jail too. Dude was a goaltender and tiny. Like 5'8. I bet he's having fun getting his shit pushed in forcefully. Fitting.
I totally disagree that Social/emotional coercion (especially while under the influences of drugs/alcohol) for the purposes of sexual intercourse is not rape, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise. To me, that would be like taking time out of my day to convince someone that the sky is blue.
The existence of this video where she is enjoying herself is totally irrelevant. What if there was a similar video of my friend? She was DTF at an earlier point in the evening, but subsequent events changed that.
As soon as willingness is out of the picture, it's rape. Really not much argument about it.
In the box munching case, I'm pretty sure there was no 'subsequent event.' What happened in the video is what she is claiming was the rape.
I totally disagree that Social/emotional coercion (especially while under the influences of drugs/alcohol) for the purposes of sexual intercourse is not rape, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise. To me, that would be like taking time out of my day to convince someone that the sky is blue.
Do you apply that logic to other areas in which people make a decision under pressure or while intoxicated? The reality is that no decision is made in a vacuum. Every choice is made with a degree of social/emotional coercion, but that doesn't invalidate the decision. You take into account the factors, weigh the outcome, and make your decision, that's how life works. As soon as you decide that any emotional or social influence can potentially make sex rape, every single sexual encounter becomes rape for both parties (or at least it would if feminists weren't so biased), because it's impossible to separate any decision from emotional and social influences, especially decisions about sex.
As soon as willingness is out of the picture, it's rape. Really not much argument about it.
There are a few problems with that though. Lack of willingness has to be communicated. If she's perfectly happy, and then suddenly changes her mind and wants to stop, but never bothers to actually do everything she can to make it stop, how is the guy supposed to know? Unless she actually says 'hey, stop,' then he's still extrapolating from her previous enjoyment and her lack of protest/resistance that she's continuing to consent. It's not reasonable to expect sex to pause every 30 seconds for both partners to verbally confirm that they're happy with what's happening, not to mention that women hate that kind of behavior in bed even more than men do.
That's what creates this whole grey area, you've got this sexual encounter where the girl goes along originally, and at no stage voices any complaint or physically resists, then how the fuck is a guy supposed to know that she's not willing? But too often women wake up, regret an encounter, and decide that it must have been rape because they're not happy about it the next morning.
Men can't read minds. That's why the only reasonable definition of rape is 'sex that takes place against physical resistance, during incapacitation (ie, unconscious to the degree where they're unable to voice complaint or offer resistance) or with a partner who's incapable of governing their own behavior and offering reasoned consent (children, mentally handicapped, etc).' Otherwise there's this entire gray area where the women might not be happy but never bothers to voice her unhappiness, but the man has no fucking idea and thinks he's just having regular sex.
If you don't want to consent to sexual activity, then fucking resist. Put up a fight. Say loudly and clearly 'I don't want this,' and do everything you can to stop it happening. That way if there's a genuine misunderstanding, the guy knows to stop, and if he is just an asshole rapist, then you at least stand a chance of getting away. Don't just lie there silently and take it. MEN CANNOT READ MINDS.
- Implication that innocent, sexually active men everywhere are at constant risk of being falsely accused of rape for no reason.
I don't know about constant, it's impossible to quantify, but it's regular enough that it's something men have to keep in mind whenever they engage in any sexual activity. And quite often even when they don't:
Astria Berwick: Woman jailed for lying to police that taxi driver had sexually assaulted her in his cab | Mail Online
- Implication that FEMINISM is responsible for false rape claims.
Feminism is responsible for broadening the definition of rape into something so ambiguous that many sexual encounters which would otherwise be seen as consenting would qualify, and the social attitudes engendered or continued in large part by feminism, wherein men are seen as aggressive, violent oppressors and women are seen as passive, helpless, perpetually innocent victims, are at least partly a contributing factor towards a culture in which there's very little burden of proof for lodging rape claims and a villification of men who are accused of rape, no matter the actual facts of the case.
- Implication that actual rape isn't a significantly more prevalent and harmful issue than false rape allegations.
This one is impossible to say. but feminism is in large part responsible for the ideological bias which has twisted the statistics and made quantifying and comparing the occurrence of these events impossible.
- Defending the "right" of men to fuck drunk chicks and not have to face any consequences.
As long as she wasn't incapacitated and she was willing, then there should be no consequences, because he hasn't done anything wrong. Women are adults just like men, which means they're responsible for the decisions they make, even those made after they choose to ingest alcohol or drugs.
- Victimization of men. (Which is the most ironic, considering how much animosity there is towards "victimization" culture.)
I wouldn't say victimization, but certainly vilification. The best description of feminism I've ever heard is that it treats men like monsters and women like overgrown children.
(Despite dude's claim that he wasn't talking about actual rape, everything in the post I responded to indicated he was.)
Assuming you're referring to my post: Go
fuck yourself. At no stage did I ever state or imply that rape victims are responsible for being raped. I'd ask you to point out any quotes from my post which support your claims, but we both know that there are none and that you're just twisting my words to suite your agenda. Seriously, go fuck yourself.
