World of Warcraft: Classic

Leon

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It’s funny because even in these forums years ago I remember lamenting arena items saying they needed to add rating requirements (which they eventually did do) and was lambasted by nearly everyone. Our hearts are deceitful. Many times the very things we wish for are the things that destroy the game.

I cringe at every person that says they need to add X shortcut or Y nerf to speed things up because it’s a “waste of time”. The entire game is a waste of time lol.

I too wasted years on EQ and never saw any raids outside of PoF/Hate until the first TLP server. Never bothered me one bit. Never sat around bitching how the entire game should cater to me….
People like us are not the target audience of these games anymore
 
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Daidraco

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Im under no illusion anymore (yes, anymore) that we're not the target audience because it makes them more money. I mean, O Ortega is pointing it out here. The developers have changed as a whole, and with that, the ideals that they want to accomplish. The newer devs have came to power, and anyone that brings forward an idea that isnt in their wheelhouse of socialism, which even they believe will make the company more money is instantly shut down.

We knew developers in the 90's were nerds, obviously. We knew that when they went to school, they looked up to the jocks and had a popularity complex. Now, regardless of what you think happened to the developers since then, we all know that on average, theyre a fucking socialist, liberal cuck. I mean fuck, they work hand in hand with fucking literal fucking trannies day in and day out now. I'd find a new fucking job as soon as that shit show hit the floor if I worked for a company.

We have plenty of examples of games that dont cater to the LCD that do well. Increasingly so as they come out because the market is so flooded with these other BS games. Hell, you can look at Dragonflight as an exact example that this shit doesnt work. Theyre catering to the player bases every complaint and people are like "Theyre listening, finally!" and.. player numbers are still dropping. Brads McQuads generation of developers have been replaced by the ion hazzikostas generation of developers and now all Im doing right now is waiting on his fucking generation to be replaced.
 
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Masakari

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Make an MMO centered on the Righteous slaying feudal Liberals, and it would get popular fast.
 
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mkopec

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Here is the perfect example of the sheer arrogance and stupidity of these devs. I mean we all saw this 100 times but it needs repeating.


Funy how wow classic ended up being the hottest WOW shit in years and still thriving.
 
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Animosity

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Here is the perfect example of the sheer arrogance and stupidity of these devs. I mean we all saw this 100 times but it needs repeating.


Funy how wow classic ended up being the hottest WOW shit in years and still thriving.
It still makes me laugh how J Allen Brack said “we think we do but we dont”
 
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Masakari

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Here is the perfect example of the sheer arrogance and stupidity of these devs. I mean we all saw this 100 times but it needs repeating.


Funy how wow classic ended up being the hottest WOW shit in years and still thriving.

What a smug faggot, someone needs to make this a meme so that he sees it.
 
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Big Phoenix

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Im under no illusion anymore (yes, anymore) that we're not the target audience because it makes them more money. I mean, O Ortega is pointing it out here. The developers have changed as a whole, and with that, the ideals that they want to accomplish. The newer devs have came to power, and anyone that brings forward an idea that isnt in their wheelhouse of socialism, which even they believe will make the company more money is instantly shut down.
Modern business have learned the average consumer is so fucking dumb they will happily pay outrageous prices for products that cost next to nothing to provide, often the very same product that was once freely included.

Its simple math. Do you want to invest 25-50+ million in a project building out some full fledged game for meager returns or do you want to invest 3-4 million in some bare bones lootbox simulator and get 10x+ returns?
 
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Masakari

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Modern business have learned the average consumer is so fucking dumb they will happily pay outrageous prices for products that cost next to nothing to provide, often the very same product that was once freely included.
OnlyFans has done a good job of providing that.
 
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Masakari

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With how much fucktard coomers spend on that shit you would think there wasnt a time when women posted endless nudes and got nothing for it.

Blizzard should just kill retail and build an alternative universe series that focuses more on the Black Empire and Old Gods directly after WOW classic., or even go really deep in time and have it take place during the Black Empire. Instead of creating dumb new races to play, just make more common races in WOW able to be playable (furbologs, harpies, etc).

Keep it simple, maximize the fun. Have a nice linear progression of content lore without making huge jumps (like going at the titans). Could just have infinite content patches that open up new areas slowly without needing new expansion after expansion. I'd pay a little more money a month for that.
 
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TJT

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This is the entire concept of Classic + that people have been talking about for years now. Just go on as if TBC never happened and do something else. Turtle Wow proves that it can work and get an audience.
 
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mkopec

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What makes you think that these current devs would not just fuck up classic+ as they are constantly fucking up retail?
 
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tower

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What makes you think that these current devs would not just fuck up classic+ as they are constantly fucking up retail?
Simple solution: You dont let the current devs do it. I'm not into this Hardcore shit but it's the perfect example. Outsource it to community members who actually care and are actually talented. The Liquid general manager for MMOs brought this up - just give people the client and let them create game modes. If the community wants Hardcore where you can only talk in /say and it takes a 5 man to kill a mob they'll go there. If they want Classic+ with some class adjustments they can go there. If they want raid finder loot pinata GDKPs I'm sure someone will make it. And if they want full loot zone conquest Shadowbane in WoW they can go there too.

Lockdown the rights like they tried with WC3 Reforged or whatever so it doesnt turn into Dota but just let the community make it and decide what they want to play
 
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Nirgon

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Yes let the community prove they're better than the retards who work there. That would happen and you know they wont have it.
 
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Sylas

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Idk i think despite how "well received" dragonflight was they cant even give the game away (according to the battlenet patcher they have been trying to give it away for a while now to get players back). Shit looks like a bud light display with rebates for more than the cost of the case just to pump their numbers up.

Bringing back JJ for this baby phase seems like desperation. You'd expect it in preparation for ICC but for phase 3 it seems meh.

I think the raid logging has led to maybe sub canceling, at least as long as the weather is nice, at least until lich king drops. Normally retail would keep shit afloat during lulls in activity in classic but retail is dead.