World of Warcraft: Current Year

It would be interesting but we all know the mount will just be another reskin while they add a new store mount

That's perfect. We can now have Looking for raid, Normal, heroic, looking for mythic, normal mythic, heroic mythic, and mythic mythic. And then for the 0.1% of the 0.1% of the 0.1% we can introduce Mythic Mythic+ with keystones that deplete if you wipe to a boss once. Only obtainable from Mythic Mythic difficulty. Once per week.

Noodleface said:

That's perfect. We can now have Looking for raid, Normal, heroic, looking for mythic, normal mythic, heroic mythic, and mythic mythic. And then for the 0.1% of the 0.1% of the 0.1% we can introduce Mythic Mythic+ with keystones that deplete if you wipe to a boss once. Only obtainable from Mythic Mythic difficulty. Once per week.

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There's probably some room to blend Normal and LFR together and then Heroic and Mythic together to just have Normal, Mythic, and Competition.

Bragon said:

All of the above comes in 10,25,40, and flex numbers.

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You joke but I wish they had a flex mythic option. Or at least a 10 man mythic

Arbitrary said:

There's probably some room to blend Normal and LFR together and then Heroic and Mythic together to just have Normal, Mythic, and Competition.

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I think the general consensus outside of mouthbreathers is just delete LFR and normal, make heroic the defacto difficulty for every-day raiders and then leave mythic for the guys seeking the challenge.

Id be in favor of only having a mythic difficulty.

Khane said:

Hearing about what Limit and Method were doing leading up to it (yet again) just makes me less likely to ever re-sub. I'm still on the fence about even purchasing Shadowlands. I have no faith in Ion and "the team" to make a fun game and I really, really don't give a shit about raiding anymore. The current state of Mythic has sucked all the fun out of it and raiding Heroic is entirely pointless since I can just do Mythic+ instead.

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There's been two expansions with daily required wizard chores. So I'm not seeing that change now.

Also they consider world quests to be a "success"

Arbitrary said:

I would sorta like them to rework their difficulty scale or otherwise introduce a tier above mythic that was the competition tier. People feel like the game is too often balanced (at least at the start of a content cycle) around the top 0.01% of players. To alleviate that and the "you beat it after it was nerfed" comments that always show up as a tier progresses there could just instead be a competitive difficulty. The bosses drop no loot with the only prize being an achievement, a title and a mount for completion. The content is fixed if bugged but never has its difficulty lowered through changes. Once a set number of guilds worldwide beat it than it becomes unavailable. You're either in the world first race or your not. The guilds not in the race do not have their play experience impacted by it in any way.

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A tournament realm for the world first race would be beneficial to the rest of the playerbase.

And to echo the 10 man raid size. That was the best version of raiding in any game I've ever played. It was the perfect size. Enough people to feel like a raid, not so many people that half the raid is being carried by the other half and you have to deal with cliques and other horseshit that comes with trying to herd larger groups of people to a common goal.

sadris said:

There's been two expansions with daily required wizard chores. So I'm not seeing that change now.

Also they consider world quests to be a "success"

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There have been way more than 2 expansions with daily required wizard chores. World Quests just gave you more options in your dailies and less travel time. World Quests admittedly are a better version of dailies, but they are still dailies and dailies will always suck, no matter what dress you put on them.

Noodleface said:

That's perfect. We can now have Looking for raid, Normal, heroic, looking for mythic, normal mythic, heroic mythic, and mythic mythic. And then for the 0.1% of the 0.1% of the 0.1% we can introduce Mythic Mythic+ with keystones that deplete if you wipe to a boss once. Only obtainable from Mythic Mythic difficulty. Once per week.

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I don't think you can say Ion's direction only caters to top mythic raiders nowadays. Limit / Method put a lot of time and dedication to the "normal" patch progression (islands grind to 80 neck, craft BiS). The two things they did competition wise was raid splits to circumvent personal loot (hardly a decision factoring top mythic raiders) and alts gearing, the latter in my opinion being a class stacking opportunity which wasn't quite mandatory for the last world first races as we now know it.

Regarding raiding difficulty, nowdays there's "content for everyone". LFR is basically a raiding tutorial, Normal is "what happens when tutorial is over", Heroic is standard and Mythic is competitive. I don't think it takes them a lot of time setting different modes since most of them below Mythic is just a damage taken factor, where you can ignore anything because it won't kill you. You can of course blend both LFR / Normal together, but there will always be someone finding it "too difficult", which is a no-go for Blizzard nowadays.

Bondurant said:

The two things they did competition wise was raid splits to circumvent personal loot (hardly a decision factoring top mythic raiders) and alts gearing, the latter in my opinion being a class stacking opportunity which wasn't quite mandatory for the last world first races as we now know it.

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The GM of Limit tweeted that they blew 250,000,000 gold in their search of a world first. That's an incredible barrier.

Arbitrary said:

The GM of Limit tweeted that they blew 250,000,000 gold in their search of a world first. That's an incredible barrier.

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And as we all know, any mythic guild worth their salt will spend that much on every mythic progression run

Bondurant said:

The two things they did competition wise was raid splits to circumvent personal loot (hardly a decision factoring top mythic raiders)

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Arbitrary said:

The GM of Limit tweeted that they blew 250,000,000 gold in their search of a world first. That's an incredible barrier.

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250m golds on a 20+ player roster isn't telling anything: Draenor garrisons, Legion and BFA boosting inflation really made people loaded as fuck if one goes into daily goldfarm. Of course 250m is a lot, but regarding 8.3 it was mostly about buying BoEs, some of them (EU) having their value inflated by "brokers" leveling the price between Method and Pieces.

It shouldn't be regarded as a "world first fee", especially because "in debt" doesn't really mean anything. Both Limit / Method guilds need 2nd crew raid split players rather than gold sponsorship, especially when you're a profesionnal organization with sponsors and twich viewers in a game where buying gold is as mundane as selecting a character.

It's another "you need to be this tall to ride the roller coaster" requirement to be competitive entirely outside of the raid itself and the skills to excel at it.

Being in debt does mean something to these people now though, they're borrowing gold from the Gallywix community with interest and as long as they pay them back, in the future the Gallywix community will loan them more gold. They now have basically a literal goblin bank funding their raiding.

Honestly it's one of the coolest things about the race for me is that there is a deeper economy now being formed around it. Partially because it's literally called the Gallywix community which is also lore friendly and fits the WORLD of warcraft itself as if it's just a 5th Goblin faction.

As a fellow Goblin, get me in on dat shit.