World of Warcraft: Current Year

Big Phoenix said:

Instead of fixing game design and what is essentially match making, they just want to ignore/punish the discontent.

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It’s an issue in game design, not match making. Matchmaking is for pointless content like heroic dungeons and lfr. Players have control over group creation beyond that, including an in game score for mythic+ achievement. The player base is too toxic but the content incentivizes that behavior. For example, M+ keys going down a rank when you fail means people get really pissed when a group does poorly. They aren’t just losing their time, they are losing their ability to obtain a certain level of loot. It’s probably too late to clean up how the players interact and the content design will definitely prevent it.

So will I still be able to call folks huntards?

Can confirm Ive met more shitbags in EQ than in WoW. Most the toxic fucks in WoW are when I used dungeon finder groups.

Chris said:

It's a game. They should actually make a social credit score and place nice people with nice people and toxic people with toxic people. Make it transparent how it works.

Otherwise it's going to be tranny CMs and tranny programmed bots banning people they don't like.

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I do like a turds play with turds option. satisfies everyone.

They are essentially adding the FF14 moderation, its not really a bad thing, however Square has a large human team to review complaints. If this is all AI based its going to be a mess but there is something to be said about not having toxicity in game, FF14 feels like a joy to play because of it. Knowing Blizzard though they will fuck it up somehow

FF is also boring and without consequence. People just don’t give a fuck because there’s no reason to, the process is brain dead. You can also run piss easy solo q dungeons in wow if you want. You can do the raid the same way.

I don’t see a problem with a random mythic raid finder for social credit farmers though. Have at it.

Juvarisx said:

They are essentially adding the FF14 moderation, its not really a bad thing, however Square has a large human team to review complaints. If this is all AI based its going to be a mess but there is something to be said about not having toxicity in game, FF14 feels like a joy to play because of it. Knowing Blizzard though they will fuck it up somehow

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Blizzard is going to automate it in some capacity. So its really going to be a shit show before it starts to even remotely go in the direction FF14 is at. Which I agree, this is them trying to cater to the general audience that loves the "GG TY FOR PLAYING" at the end of every run.

The Mythic + scene is actively toxic. The only way around it in the game that is designed to be toxic is to make friends, or be in a guild. You know.. social, MMO, things. You're going to play with scrubs and retards, regardless. Its just, you can "hopefully" give a retard some pointers if theyre in your guild or you're friends with them and then benefit from those suggestions later. At the beginning of Shadowlands, we had a very active player that didnt know how to use beacon of light. Pretty fucking obvious how to use it, but I guess his brain was wired different. After suffering through a couple runs, he finally gave my advice a chance.. and wala, all our healing problems went the fk out of the window.

But this is off the beaten path - even if the toxicity disappeared tomorrow, the game still has some huge fundamental problems. So they got quite a ways to go.

I guess im missing the social credit part of it, there is no mention of rewards for reporting abusive behavior just saying they are clamping down on it. I always felt there should be some reward for reporting bots (points off verified bans) would help classic but I am not seeing that here.

Look I've done wow mythic, wow M+ up to 20, piss easy wow content, then FF14 piss easy content, savage raids, even gotten 2 Ultimates down. Ive seen the most toxicity in world chat, the piss easy dungeons and low M+'s in WoW. I have no problem if people who sperg out after a blown M+6 get muted or suspended. I dont need the over niceness of FF14, rather just have people act like normal fucking people instead of fuck heads (yea im getting old whatever). I did appreciate real help in general chat when I started FF14 though.

you know, it's funny but i bet if they do this "play nice or else" policy, it will not extend to bots. the bot population will stay high because they don't say hurty feelsy

So you just want to prevent people from saying things that hurt your feelings? You can put people on ignore.

Warmuth said:

So you just want to prevent people from saying things that hurt your feelings? You can put people on ignore.

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Look if you are posting on this forum, you have a thick skin by default, I could care less generally other then world chat being unusable. WoW has a toxicity problem partly from years of zero moderation and party because the game catered towards it. They are obviously looking at player feedback and deciding that FF14 had the right idea, player attitudes to MMo's by in large have changed since the EQ days and people have too many options to spend their time to deal with edgelords and teenagers sperging out in RDF or Raid Finder. This likely is part of a large shift in philosophy towards the game as a whole. You have faction merging, account wide everything, less of a focus on M+, etc. The try hards and high end content players will always group with guilds and friends or randoms they can shit talk over discord where moderation cant touch them. Having someone ask a question and being told to fuck their mom or kill themselves cause they died on a mechanic isn't a healthy game and I don't have a problem with them clamping down on it.

Neranja said:

To be fair, the most toxic players are the ones trying to be like their idols from Twitch/Youtube/MDI or whatever,

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Anyone worth a fuck from MDI quit as soon as Shadowlands hit beta.

Some amount of increased moderation is probably fine, but not until they've fixed the game design issues and know what they're actually working with. They've shown that they don't know or don't care about the mechanics that prompt people to be toxic, though.

Toxicity happens when people are trying to go fast or accomplish something, and others are stopping them. This happens in M+, but leveling dungeons are also fucking terrible. Either people aren't talking at all, or they're flaming and votekicking someone that's new or just trying to chill. They could try all sorts of things here, but they've done absolutely nothing. Why not add a separate "speedrun" queue and let the assholes self-select into it? Why not remove the timer from M+ and add a different axis of difficulty? Try something, see how it affects things.

Neranja said:

I have a slight suspicion that the WoW devs came up with the convoluted gearing and borrowed power system to break GearScore, but it backfired in a spectacular way.

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It didn't just backfire. They went back on their word. They said no more titanforging period.

They added titanforging to raids in 9.1 with a borrowed power system. Borrowed power with titanforging style features. It benched some of the greatest raiders in the game for world first race. For the first time they had to sit out.

Since the expac was sold under a no-titanforge clause, that's straight up fraud. Nobody should buy another Blizzard product again based on that, but they will.

Net said:

Some amount of increased moderation is probably fine, but not until they've fixed the game design issues and know what they're actually working with. They've shown that they don't know or don't care about the mechanics that prompt people to be toxic, though.

Toxicity happens when people are trying to go fast or accomplish something, and others are stopping them. This happens in M+, but leveling dungeons are also fucking terrible. Either people aren't talking at all, or they're flaming and votekicking someone that's new or just trying to chill. They could try all sorts of things here, but they've done absolutely nothing. Why not add a separate "speedrun" queue and let the assholes self-select into it? Why not remove the timer from M+ and add a different axis of difficulty? Try something, see how it affects things.

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Toxicity happens primarily because young adult males are essentially children who don't know how to have fun anymore.

I played one new pvp game, the servers just went live and it was everyone's first match. One guy was shitting himself because the team was doing poorly. Guy was having a crying fit over it. These leet gamers are everywhere now.