World of Warcraft: Current Year
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Khane
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Doesn't seem to be an issue on classic servers. Dungeon content is harder in retail than it was in vanilla. The issue back then was knowledge and MMO experience of the broad playerbase in general (most people were not EQ veterans like us)
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Cybsled
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It is impossible to correctly balance an uninstanced dungeon to be honest. In EQ1, the only dungeons that weren't perma dead were usually that way because the RvR was dog shit, the dungeon/loot sucked ass, or the difficulty ramped up from easy to insane, so people avoided the insane parts.
Plus EQ1 was on the cusp just before the professional gold farmers. Remember how much we bitched about players ebaying crap? That was just regular players selling that FBSS or rubicite armor. Now you have to contend with armies of gold farming bots from China. If you gate -anything- of value, then the gold farmers are going to lock that down 24/7 to force people to give them IRL money for it and most game companies have shown themselves unable to sufficiently regular that activity to any reliable degree.
Plus EQ1 was on the cusp just before the professional gold farmers. Remember how much we bitched about players ebaying crap? That was just regular players selling that FBSS or rubicite armor. Now you have to contend with armies of gold farming bots from China. If you gate -anything- of value, then the gold farmers are going to lock that down 24/7 to force people to give them IRL money for it and most game companies have shown themselves unable to sufficiently regular that activity to any reliable degree.
Khane
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What gives you guys the impression the gold farmers can lock anything down at all that real players want to access? Where are these magical bot armies that can't be fucked with and are better players than people actually at their keyboard? It's ridiculous to think gold farmers would have any impact on overworld dungeons at all.
There are plenty of uninstanced mobs that drop high value items in both retail and classic and none of them have ever been perma camped by bots or gold farmers or inhibited real player experience. The bots farm shit like hyppogryphs in Azshara because there is nobody out there to fuck with the bot and ruin its scripting or report them.
There are plenty of uninstanced mobs that drop high value items in both retail and classic and none of them have ever been perma camped by bots or gold farmers or inhibited real player experience. The bots farm shit like hyppogryphs in Azshara because there is nobody out there to fuck with the bot and ruin its scripting or report them.
TJT
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There were quite a few dungeons in EQ1 that I never spent much time in. Although I did make it a point to have cleared them all. Nonetheless they all had something that would at minimum serve the very vibrant alt twink market.
WOW doesn't even have that. Because like has been said they can't seem to stand the concept of twinking characters.
WOW doesn't even have that. Because like has been said they can't seem to stand the concept of twinking characters.
I had it drop for me in LFR and I had no idea it even existed. I was confused why I was getting a dozen whispers asking if they could have it.
Daidraco
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Ha! How are some of you getting salty reactions and you’re being called the sensitive ones?
Anyways, I think Phasing has a lot of potential and people have just seemed to have written it off because of a bad experience early on. Not realizing entire zones are now phased. An open world dungeon could have phased boss mobs that have their reset tied to the specific player. You could kill it again, but you won’t get credit until your personal reset happens. I could section off multiple areas of OS, for example. But they would have to actually make phasing player friendly.
Anyways, I think Phasing has a lot of potential and people have just seemed to have written it off because of a bad experience early on. Not realizing entire zones are now phased. An open world dungeon could have phased boss mobs that have their reset tied to the specific player. You could kill it again, but you won’t get credit until your personal reset happens. I could section off multiple areas of OS, for example. But they would have to actually make phasing player friendly.
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Daidraco
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The spawn rate, and if they have a place holder or not could be a totally separate implementation. You actually hits the nail on the head with how annoyed I am by WoW still calling silver elite mobs “rares”. I just don’t see how they are rare, so why are they called that? Should call them “Challenge” mob or something. That would make more sense to me.
Hell, I really liked the theories people had about certain mobs in certain zones of EQ. Where a rare could, or maybe “would”, be tied to several other mobs in a spawn chain. Or how, in Rathe Mountains, you had all those differently named Scarabs and I still have no idea why the attention to detail was put into their names, there.
xzi
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I really don't see why they don't make super overpowered versions of mobs/bosses in the overworld at this point. You can enter almost every single dungeon in the overworld without actually zoning in. Freehold being the best example, and it's barely populated by anything.
Actually now that I think about it - Nighthold in the overworld had insane mobs that would pretty much 3shot you even as prot if you tried to pull them by yourself. Make a reason to kill 'em.
Actually now that I think about it - Nighthold in the overworld had insane mobs that would pretty much 3shot you even as prot if you tried to pull them by yourself. Make a reason to kill 'em.
TJT
Mr. Poopybutthole
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Same reason they didn't really put anything like Fel Reaver into the game again.
Timmy cries when he gets killed by an extremely loud robot that shakes the ground as it walks and has a supremely tiny aggro range. Just no way you can see that death coming and it ruins my gameplay!
Timmy cries when he gets killed by an extremely loud robot that shakes the ground as it walks and has a supremely tiny aggro range. Just no way you can see that death coming and it ruins my gameplay!
xzi
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Well yeah, but you have to go extremely out of the way to get into Nighthold in the overworld.
Honestly I think classic is going to inspire them for Shadowlands even more than I'd hope for. Shit like Stitches walking around straight BLASTIN players and even quest NPCs has gotten a bunch of people stoked. Hopefully showing them that the playerbase is actually okay with things with brutal impacts on the world.
Honestly I think classic is going to inspire them for Shadowlands even more than I'd hope for. Shit like Stitches walking around straight BLASTIN players and even quest NPCs has gotten a bunch of people stoked. Hopefully showing them that the playerbase is actually okay with things with brutal impacts on the world.
Merrith
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Only Kazzak was super bad, though. Even guys planting mushrooms on purpose for Emeriss or helping heal Lethon to full with shades we just battled through no problem every attempt back in the day.
Ceowulff
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Hivemind Mount Guide
Check out that mount quest. It took a whole discord of people a couple of months to solve.
If you like that kind of content go join the hidden quest discord, those people are amazing in how dedicated they are to solving puzzles in game.
xzi
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I also suggest the hidden Uuna chain from Legion. Pulled on my heart strings a lil bit. Also relevant because we're going to the Shadowlands soon and I wonder if we're actually going to meet her.
Uuna's Storyline - A Dark Place
Learn how to save Uuna, the ghostly Draenei child, in our step-by-step walkthrough of her secret questline.
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Daidraco
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I also suggest the hidden Uuna chain from Legion. Pulled on my heart strings a lil bit. Also relevant because we're going to the Shadowlands soon and I wonder if we're actually going to meet her.
Uuna's Storyline - A Dark Place
Learn how to save Uuna, the ghostly Draenei child, in our step-by-step walkthrough of her secret questline.
Lord I wish I had the fortitude you do with this game. I realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyy want the Baa'ls Darksign pet. But ffs, I looked at all thats required to get it and noped the fk out.
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xzi
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Yeah, B'aal and The Waist of Time were truly obnoxious just picking up random items in the complete opposite side of the world for like 10 hours straight. It's extremely fun to participate in when the secret is live and the community is searching together for it, but after that it kind of loses its charm.
Uuna at least has a story, lore and gameplay connected to her.
