Jox
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Can't miss it or it will go away for years makes people resub or stay subbed for it. If it's there all the time no one would care about it.
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World of Warcraft: Current Year
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Juvarisx
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Honestly I dont hate it. Raiding is basically gated behind addons which they don't control, and its a never ending arms race to make shit more and more complicated to beat addons that it has locked out the average player.
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I never liked or better cared for housing be it EQ2 - and they made a whole stellar game out of this aspect - be it FF14. Class reworks not sure about this ok they want to dump down the whole gameplay and everything speculates it's because of a console version next expansion or after "the last titan". Addon rework is okay because let's be honest: weakauras, dbm etc that went too far and lead to more and more ridiculous boss mechanics. If they bake the healing into the standard raid frames that's enough for me.
Not having new pet battles why not. 20K battle pets and tons of content and who plays that stuff anyway? Also personally not a huge fan of the elf aesthetics. Will play ofc but not very thrilled atm.
Not having new pet battles why not. 20K battle pets and tons of content and who plays that stuff anyway? Also personally not a huge fan of the elf aesthetics. Will play ofc but not very thrilled atm.
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Runnen
Ahn'Qiraj Raider
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I think Midnight looks promising, I liked TWW even though most of it is just filler busy-work content (Siren's Isle was particularly lazy, and K'aresh isn't much better, Undermine was okay).
It gave me enough time to catch up on all the pent up years of farming / collecting work thanks to events like the big drop rate boost for raid / dungeon mounts, several big XP events for alts, so overall the collector in me was quite happy with how this went.
I'm up to date on the raid / dungeon stuff from all expansions (except a few achievemens here and there) up to and including Shadowlands, so I'm looking forward to Midnight so Dragonflight can become Legacy content and I can farm those dungeons / raids, I'm basically always a couple years behind as I just have my own guild of me and my army of alts, and I don't do mythic dungeons / actual raid content outside of some LFR in current expansions.
I'm an avid collector of battle pets but I honestly don't mind if they remove the actual battle mechanics to catch them because it's just a waste of time, and not at all engaging or interesting, it's just outdated by now. They haven't added any interesting pet content in years, even the pet dungeons were really tedious.
Housing looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much I'll be engaged in it. As I have most achievements and most of the things in game really (93/94% of items from the game according to my addon), I'll probably play around with it but I wonder how much fun it is to just look at your own house, we'll see...
I'm glad for the huge addons going bye bye and the main stuff getting implemented into the base UI. I've always hated the rise of the raider.io and various DBM / Weakauras shit, it just makes the game unbearable for me and I never used any addons except the basic coordinates stuff like TomTom or the addon I use to keep track of collector shit like All The Things.
The new zones look good even if it's mostly a rehashed location with a few new things, but if I had to choose I prefer them redoing old continents/zones to fit new places / new stories with phasing technology over creating new unheard of continents or planets out of thin air. There's a bunch of places that could really benefit from a modern redesign.
It gave me enough time to catch up on all the pent up years of farming / collecting work thanks to events like the big drop rate boost for raid / dungeon mounts, several big XP events for alts, so overall the collector in me was quite happy with how this went.
I'm up to date on the raid / dungeon stuff from all expansions (except a few achievemens here and there) up to and including Shadowlands, so I'm looking forward to Midnight so Dragonflight can become Legacy content and I can farm those dungeons / raids, I'm basically always a couple years behind as I just have my own guild of me and my army of alts, and I don't do mythic dungeons / actual raid content outside of some LFR in current expansions.
I'm an avid collector of battle pets but I honestly don't mind if they remove the actual battle mechanics to catch them because it's just a waste of time, and not at all engaging or interesting, it's just outdated by now. They haven't added any interesting pet content in years, even the pet dungeons were really tedious.
Housing looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much I'll be engaged in it. As I have most achievements and most of the things in game really (93/94% of items from the game according to my addon), I'll probably play around with it but I wonder how much fun it is to just look at your own house, we'll see...
I'm glad for the huge addons going bye bye and the main stuff getting implemented into the base UI. I've always hated the rise of the raider.io and various DBM / Weakauras shit, it just makes the game unbearable for me and I never used any addons except the basic coordinates stuff like TomTom or the addon I use to keep track of collector shit like All The Things.
The new zones look good even if it's mostly a rehashed location with a few new things, but if I had to choose I prefer them redoing old continents/zones to fit new places / new stories with phasing technology over creating new unheard of continents or planets out of thin air. There's a bunch of places that could really benefit from a modern redesign.
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Jox
Molten Core Raider
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raider.io just let you see in game if people were shit instead of needing to look them up on a website, and that's built in now with the in game rating system you can see. Nothing really sells me on the expansion in terms of need to play, it's more of the same with some dumbing down of everything. I played mop classic for a month since I never played that expansion and even that version of wow was already way too basic to be fun, so I hope they don't go too far with making everything too simple.
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moonarchia
The Scientific Shitlord
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Wombat
Trakanon Raider
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Similarly to Runnen, I treat this as an occasional (whenever a .X release occurs) single player game that I also spend a small number of hours in each week farming 2+ expansion old raids when I'm in a collecting mood. My opinions are not those of someone actively playing the game normally.
All in all, I think the changes are probably positive, but also not enough to change anyone's opinions (whether they are playing the game or not).
Housing: I've been playing Lord of the Rings Online on-and-off for over a decade and I never bothered to buy a house in that game.
Unless they change it where I can get utility (crafting / runecrating / bankers / auctioneers) in my house, I don't care about housing in the least. I have zero interest in showing you my stuff, and given how long it usually takes for the RNG to spit out whatever mount I've been after, I've seen raid / dungeon X so many times I have no interest in remembering those spots either. Add in the player fragmentation we previously saw with Garrisons, and I think housing could easily be a net negative for _the game_, even though some players may enjoy fiddling with it.
Add-Ons: On paper, Blizzard removing add-ons should be a positive. If the game can't be played without outside tools, then it means Blizzard's design / current state is bad, and it encourages the design arms race where devs aren't designing for the game, they're designing for the mods the high end uses....
....if Blizzard actually adds back in all the add-on functionality they're disabling back into the core game, which I have no confidence in. At this point, this is a slight benefit that could turn into a significant negative.
Combat Rotation: If the ability interactions are complicated enough that the playerbase needs a combat assistant to tell them what to hit next, much less for 12 other classes, the designers have fucked up. And yes, while the bleeding edge may complain that they can no longer maintain a mechanically complicated rotation / queue to eke out a handful more percent damage than the plebes, making it easier for new players / more controller accessible / easier to swap classes is a positive for the game as a whole.
Zone Redesigns: Here is my one strong opinion on the expansion - I hate zone revamps. I could accept them for Cataclysm, given the impossible terrain of vanilla broke flying. But far, far too much of WoW history is zones based on nostalgia, originally for the RTS games, then for earlier expansions, then for earlier game verions in the Classic and Remix servers.
Give me new content, because the only impression I am getting with the constant remakes is the current devs know they will never be as good as the old devs, much less better.
Yes, we may be running out of playable biomes, but at least _attempt_ something new occasionally.
Pet Battles: As someone who was already neck deep in Final Fantasy, etc. when Pokemon came out and never owned any of them or related games, I have no nostalgia for the genre. And frankly, the implementation in WoW was never anything to write home about. The system was never built to be expendable for expansions on end, with the static level 25 cap rapidly meaning that even run of the mill world quest battle design rapidly ground down into needing specific sub-families of pets (sometimes even specific stat variants of those pets) doing specific commands in a specific orders to win. Not to mention that now having level 25 pets only for expansions on end means that there's no natural onboarding path for the handful of new people the game does get. Let me summarize it this way - there's exactly one activity I filter out on the map - pet battles.
All in all, I think the changes are probably positive, but also not enough to change anyone's opinions (whether they are playing the game or not).
Housing: I've been playing Lord of the Rings Online on-and-off for over a decade and I never bothered to buy a house in that game.
Unless they change it where I can get utility (crafting / runecrating / bankers / auctioneers) in my house, I don't care about housing in the least. I have zero interest in showing you my stuff, and given how long it usually takes for the RNG to spit out whatever mount I've been after, I've seen raid / dungeon X so many times I have no interest in remembering those spots either. Add in the player fragmentation we previously saw with Garrisons, and I think housing could easily be a net negative for _the game_, even though some players may enjoy fiddling with it.
Add-Ons: On paper, Blizzard removing add-ons should be a positive. If the game can't be played without outside tools, then it means Blizzard's design / current state is bad, and it encourages the design arms race where devs aren't designing for the game, they're designing for the mods the high end uses....
....if Blizzard actually adds back in all the add-on functionality they're disabling back into the core game, which I have no confidence in. At this point, this is a slight benefit that could turn into a significant negative.
Combat Rotation: If the ability interactions are complicated enough that the playerbase needs a combat assistant to tell them what to hit next, much less for 12 other classes, the designers have fucked up. And yes, while the bleeding edge may complain that they can no longer maintain a mechanically complicated rotation / queue to eke out a handful more percent damage than the plebes, making it easier for new players / more controller accessible / easier to swap classes is a positive for the game as a whole.
Zone Redesigns: Here is my one strong opinion on the expansion - I hate zone revamps. I could accept them for Cataclysm, given the impossible terrain of vanilla broke flying. But far, far too much of WoW history is zones based on nostalgia, originally for the RTS games, then for earlier expansions, then for earlier game verions in the Classic and Remix servers.
Give me new content, because the only impression I am getting with the constant remakes is the current devs know they will never be as good as the old devs, much less better.
Yes, we may be running out of playable biomes, but at least _attempt_ something new occasionally.
Pet Battles: As someone who was already neck deep in Final Fantasy, etc. when Pokemon came out and never owned any of them or related games, I have no nostalgia for the genre. And frankly, the implementation in WoW was never anything to write home about. The system was never built to be expendable for expansions on end, with the static level 25 cap rapidly meaning that even run of the mill world quest battle design rapidly ground down into needing specific sub-families of pets (sometimes even specific stat variants of those pets) doing specific commands in a specific orders to win. Not to mention that now having level 25 pets only for expansions on end means that there's no natural onboarding path for the handful of new people the game does get. Let me summarize it this way - there's exactly one activity I filter out on the map - pet battles.
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Kuro
Naxxramas 1.0 Raider
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The gear drop system for this version of Remix makes for a very smooth improvement in ilvl while leveling, which is nice so far.
The Herbs/Ore gathering was giving me way more artifact power than questing/killing.
Server was a little laggy last night for opening boxes and shit, but didn't affect combat
The Herbs/Ore gathering was giving me way more artifact power than questing/killing.
Server was a little laggy last night for opening boxes and shit, but didn't affect combat
Wombat
Trakanon Raider
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Obviously no one liked having to decide to use your Bronze on upgrades vs cosmetics last time, but at least they kept all-cosmetic Bronze earn rates decent from the beginning - I'm not even level 40 and I've already earned enough Bronze to buy a dozen of the 10k new color variant mounts.
Not sure of my opinion on the Infinite Research system. The tasks are definitely more varied than prior weekly systems, but also seem to require more frequent returns to your hub than I've ever done.
To reiterate Kuro, gathering is the highest source of repeatable Infinite Power (weapon tree) I've come across so far by a landslide. I just wish the nodes would drop off your minimap faster.
Not sure of my opinion on the Infinite Research system. The tasks are definitely more varied than prior weekly systems, but also seem to require more frequent returns to your hub than I've ever done.
To reiterate Kuro, gathering is the highest source of repeatable Infinite Power (weapon tree) I've come across so far by a landslide. I just wish the nodes would drop off your minimap faster.
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You're supposed to use those tickets: They give you an extra button to port back once you're finished with your business.
Foggy
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
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Go to the emissary for the applicable faction. Links to their locations are on this page (scroll down until it talks about turn ins): Legion World Quests Overview
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