World of Warcraft: Current Year

Juvarisx · 2026-09-24T16:40:09-0400

Kaines said:
Since WoW Forever is being built upon the Retail client, they can absolutely create MASSIVE underground zones/areas. They already did this a couple times in Retail and I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to do the same again in Forever.

Dude imagine porting the original plan for Azjol-Nerub into the Underdark at the scale of like a War Within zone obviously modified for no flying?

Yepo, sign me the fuck up.

Runnen · 2026-09-24T16:40:21-0400

Kaines said:
Since WoW Forever is being built upon the Retail client, they can absolutely create MASSIVE underground zones/areas. They already did this a couple times in Retail and I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to do the same again in Forever.

The problem with underground zones is they're not super interesting if it's all mostly flat terrain, which is necessary in a world with only ground mounts. You could add in-zone taxi service gryphons/wyverns I suppose, but they only added Deepholm or Zaralek Caverns long into the flying mounts for everyone era, and could create vertical content inside those zones to make them more interesting. Otherwise it's kind of just a big flat cave like Quarm's room in Plane of Time.

Uriel · 2026-09-24T16:41:32-0400

Juvarisx · 2026-09-24T16:42:41-0400

Runnen said:
Those are good ideas. Subterranean Hyjal is already in one of the new raids though, Barrow Deeps.

Thats a different one and why I didn't include it. The Furbolg stuff they showed is the area between Winterspring and Felwood, that was to be a dungeon or raid (they are making it a raid in this), the one under Hyjal was Night Elf inspired with an Old God influence.

Kaines · 2026-09-24T16:43:57-0400

Runnen said:
which is necessary in a world with only ground mounts.

You have NO IDEA of the massive vertical changes just in the two original continents do you? Ever flown from Ironforge to Wetlands? Every looked off the Loch Modan dam? Ever quested in Thousand Needles?

Get the fuck out of here.

Burren · 2026-09-24T16:44:07-0400

Juvarisx said:
Thats a different one and why I didn't include it. The Furbolg stuff they showed is the area between Winterspring and Felwood, that was to be a dungeon or raid (they are making it a raid in this), the one under Hyjal was Night Elf inspired with an Old God influence.

Isn’t there a portal in Stormwind that never got built into a zone?

Juvarisx · 2026-09-24T16:44:25-0400

Runnen said:
The problem with underground zones is they're not super interesting if it's all mostly flat terrain, which is necessary in a world with only ground mounts. You could add in-zone taxi service gryphons/wyverns I suppose, but they only added Deepholm or Zaralek Caverns long into the flying mounts for everyone era, and could create vertical content inside those zones to make them more interesting. Otherwise it's kind of just a big flat cave like Quarm's room in Plane of Time.

Or they could get inspired by Guild Wars 2 and have a mount that jumps really high with its own mastery system that only works in specific underground zones.

Juvarisx · 2026-09-24T16:45:24-0400

Burren said:
Isn’t there a portal in Stormwind that never got built into a zone?

Yea thats the Stormwind Vaults, was supposed to be a dungeon.

Runnen · 2026-09-24T16:48:25-0400

Kaines said:
You have NO IDEA of the massive vertical changes just in the two original continents do you? Ever flown from Ironforge to Wetlands? Every looked off the Loch Modan dam? Ever quested in Thousand Needles?

Get the fuck out of here.

Yes I did all that. I didn't say it wasn't feasible, I said it would be hard to make it interesting. Do you just want Wetlands but underground? Do you want Thousand Needles but in a cave? Is that what's been missing for you all those years?

Runnen · 2026-09-24T16:49:27-0400

Juvarisx said:
Yea thats the Stormwind Vaults, was supposed to be a dungeon.

As I recall, Stormwind Vaults was supposed to be the supermax version of the Stockades, with very dangerous and/or magical criminals in there. They kind of reworked it later into the Violet Hold in Dalaran for Wrath of the Lich King and Legion.

Kaines · 2026-09-24T16:49:47-0400

Runnen said:
Yes I did all that. I didn't say it wasn't feasible, I said it would be hard to make it interesting. Do you just want Wetlands but underground? Do you want Thousand Needles but in a cave? Is that what's been missing for you all those years?

Dude, they can easily do a verticle zone even when everyone is solely on foot. There a lot of options for them from elevators to flight paths to teleports to get you around a verticle zone. Just because YOU are an uncreative fool doesn't mean these devs are.

Arbitrary · 2026-09-24T16:51:24-0400

Araxen said:
There's always a couple no matter the thread in this place. I think some people just live to be contrarian.

I've had to accept I'm getting milked or otherwise look the other way on a lot of bullshit just to play EQ TLPs. Maybe I'm the battered housewife here and I've been trained well to not burn the roast but when I see what Blizzard has offered it's vastly exceeded my expectations.

Runnen · 2026-09-24T16:51:30-0400

Kaines said:
Just because YOU are an uncreative fool doesn't mean these devs are.

I did mention the possibility of underground taxi rides, but I'm fully ready to admit I'd never have thought of changing the women portraits into fruit bowls. #creativity

M Power · 2026-09-24T16:54:19-0400

I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that WoW Forever is likely going to be Azeroth only and so there is zero reason Northrend can't be opened up with additional content and changes later down the line. Same with MoP. I may be mistaken but it seems to me they just want to get rid of stuff outside of Azeroth and feature creep that has plagued the game for years. There are all kinds of interesting zones they can add into Azeroth.

moonarchia · 2026-09-24T16:56:39-0400

Some features are worth keeping and integrating. The orange gear and artifacts from Legion, for example.

Runnen · 2026-09-24T16:58:02-0400

M Power said:
I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that WoW Forever is likely going to be Azeroth only and so there is zero reason Northrend can't be opened up with additional content and changes later down the line. Same with MoP. I may be mistaken but it seems to me they just want to get rid of stuff outside of Azeroth and feature creep that has plagued the game for years. There are all kinds of interesting zones they can add into Azeroth.

Northrend's probably fine, but they'll have to change the lore background for Pandaria is they want to put that in, because it was the Cataclysm that dissipated the mists hiding it from the rest of the world.

If we never go to Outland, we never bring Illidan back to the Broken Isles as a prisoner, meaning he can't help us against the Legion.

Warlords of Draenor and Shadowlands can mostly be skipped because their story doesn't impact Azeroth a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but at some point this is really bending themselves backwards just to avoid Outland.

Kaines · 2026-09-24T16:58:17-0400

M Power said:
I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that WoW Forever is likely going to be Azeroth only and so there is zero reason Northrend can't be opened up with additional content and changes later down the line. Same with MoP. I may be mistaken but it seems to me they just want to get rid of stuff outside of Azeroth and feature creep that has plagued the game for years. There are all kinds of interesting zones they can add into Azeroth.

Northrend could absolutely be a destination later on. Arthas wouldn't even have to be the focal point of the story either. He could just exist in the background.

Runnen · 2026-09-24T17:03:27-0400

"Stop worrying about that looming citadel in the distance and the hordes of undead running rampant, we're here to end the reign of the TUSKARR KING!"

Runnen · 2026-09-24T17:06:18-0400

moonarchia said:
Some features are worth keeping and integrating. The orange gear and artifacts from Legion, for example.

Hard to reconcile handing Ashbringers out to every paladin out there with your playerbase wanting to play a_random_grunt01.

M Power · 2026-09-24T17:11:36-0400

Well the WoW Forever team literally said their goal was to rewrite things so it almost seems pointless to point to old lore as if it's some sort of requirement.

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