World of Warcraft: Current Year

My mythic guild disbanded last night, pretty much universal agreement amongst the officers that they loathe the expansion, and constant recruitment to deal with churn.

My 6 month sub runs out this week, so probably gonna take my every decade-or-so break from WoW.

World of Mountcraft

I thought Mythic Raiding was in a pretty good place this expansion other then it being hard, which I guess might be the problem lol

Serpens said:

I don't understand the complaints about M+ being overtuned. I don't do it myself, but isn't it a natural thing when you keep pushing the keys higher and higher? Perhaps the issue is that ilvls are no longer increasing substantially this late into the expansion, so Blizzard is tuning M+ down to keep people busy?

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M+ does not give gear anywhere near it's difficulty.
It gives less loot (though, in theory, it is 'infinitely' repeatable, if your key RNG is blessed).
Some of the dungeons were fuck-you overtuned (Hello Necrotic Wake!).
A few of the dungeons were so tightly tuned, that if you did not bring perfect specs, you did not make the timer.
Many of the dungeons are just not fun from a design standpoint (Constant pinions/flags/wings getting in the way of ground target spells, tight corridors where your camera freaks out, etc).
So many of the affixes are just fuck-you to melee classes.
Class imbalance is ridiculously high. It took them almost three months to do the first wave of buffs.
Some weeks were nearly impossible for tanks without huge mobility skills. (When your tank has to spend 50%+ of the dungeon kiting, that is not fun for anyone).
Fortified and/or Tyrannical are still fuck-you trash for base modifiers.

I don’t think M+ is overturned in general but there is are things that certainly needed adjusting. The dungeons aren’t losing challenge with the nerfs, they still aren’t easy.

Mist said:

What rating qualifies as a legitimate answer to this question?

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2200.

But only if you used a controller to get there.

So how long until the next major patch? We seem to be solidly in 'just wait around for the patch...' mode right now with the storyline etc.

Qhue said:

So how long until the next major patch? We seem to be solidly in 'just wait around for the patch...' mode right now with the storyline etc.

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I imagine will find out Feb 19th at Blzzcon

Pretty much agree with what everyone else is saying about M+. I haven't even done that much with it this go round, but with friends who regularly run 15+ stuff, it's hilarious how week to week it's either "shit week" for keys or "go go go push everything week". Certain things aren't tuned well, and class imbalance stuff only makes it worse at times.

Leon said:

Thats been M+ since its inception.

Some weeks are significantly easier in certain dungeons than others.

some affix combos make people not do m+ for an entire week cause tryin to push with them is just pointless.

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True, that's why most of us think it's lazy as fuck for them to just swap between Fortified and Tyrannical. Not that this is the only big reason for push/non push weeks, but certain dungeons each go round have something dumb to which it applies. Class imbalance like we see currently only makes it even worse.

Leon said:

Class imbalance was always a thing, its just the same trend continuing.

i ‘member when every group was war rog rog druid mage. This lasted for a bit them shit shifted towards monk tanks.

Much like everything bliz does (looking at you pvp or encounter specific class stscking) balancing is a pipe dream.

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And people pointed out prior to this expansion that covenant/soulbind/conduit systems had the likelihood of seeing even greater class imbalance.