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Mrs. Gravy

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Sitting at my desk eating semi sweet chocolate chips and drinking Kona....it's been a rough morning.
 

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I stopped in politics because I got busy and it was too boring playing catch-up on 20-30 pages at a time because people post there too quickly. Committing an hour to actually be up to date on what the discussions were ain't doable for my lifestyle anymore. (similarly my lifestyle in gaming has turned into stuff I can play in 15-20 min chunks not hours at a time now)

Only salt involved here is what goes into my diet via Fast Food or my cooking. Unless you're talking about EQ - I did have a tendency to get salty over there about people being dicks for no good reason and/or not sticking to their word. But that's part of why I bowed out of this TLP in addition to not having the time to commit.


Lol Vac dude..
 
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Hekotat

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I dunno man, I don't know if I really agree with your reaction there, regardless of the rules. But, I wasn't there so who knows. All the McDonald's around here have signs that say extra condiments or sauces (can't remember the exact phrasing) cost extra. Pretty sure your situation would fall under that purview. Maybe you're the reason all those signs are up!

I've made the occasional complaint, but I've sent in several "praise" comments as well when someone went above and beyond. Or phrased it in such a way that it was both. For example, this one fucking McDonald's that was definitely "lovin' it" (black), not a single person in the drive through ever gave a fuck, until this one guy that I saw a couple times over the months. Couldn't have been more than 20 or so, and if he weren't in a uniform I'd honestly have thought he was about to murder me, so perhaps my relief that he was working there instead of in a gang tinted my view a little, but he was always super nice and would check the bag to make sure the items were correct as he handed it to me. And though this point will seem silly I'm sure you've all had it happen; I get tired of the fucking drink cup dripping shit all down the side and into my cupholder, so when this guy started to hand it to me he noticed it was drippy and told me to hold on, got a couple napkins, and wiped that shit off. Pretty fucking simple and common sense right? Not a single other employee had ever done it, and I'd always have to ask for napkins to wipe it off, which earned me looks like what is the white boy bothering me about? But he wiped it off. So I made a point of getting his name and sent an email in praising him and that move in particular. While backhandedly slamming them for doing it wrong countless times of course. The owner of that store didn't give a fuck, which explains the employees, but corporate sent me a bunch of free coupons and said they'd make sure that employee got a commendation or something. I'm sure it didn't get to him, or if it did it didn't matter any, but still, maybe he actually became manager or some shit one day. Or got a job at In 'n' Out!

I actually try to compliment good service at least as much as I complain about bad service. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of customer feedback in almost all industries is negative, so they tend to react excessively when you give a compliment. I've received plenty of free shit just for doing that. (And that's not the reason I do it either.)


Dude, I asked for 1 Honey Mustard. I had no other sauces, they can get fucked.
 

Sludig

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Was the honey mustard going on breakfast or home for something else? I think that's the make or break on moral high ground.
 

McCheese

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All fast food places need to stop being cheap asses when it comes to condiments. I hate when you order nuggets or something and they carefully pull 1 or 2 sauce packets out from behind the counter, like it's prized commodity that must be rationed out.

I always get extra zesty onion ring sauce from Burger King to eat with cheese sticks at home. Who fucking cares if I don't use it with my onion rings? Give me the god damn sauce and keep me happy so I'll return and order more food. You know what happens if you don't let me get more sauce? I don't come back. Fuck you.
 
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Dude, I asked for 1 Honey Mustard. I had no other sauces, they can get fucked.
I'm not saying you were wrong about the fact that maybe they should have given you the Honey Mustard. But throwing your food at them seems a bit much. Particularly since they probably already had your money. But like I said, I wasn't there, so who knows.
 
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Mrs. Gravy

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When I was in college one of my part time jobs was at a Sonic.. for a very brief period. The owner had me sweep...yes, with a push broom, the gravel parking lot. She also allowed only one packet of ketchup per bag and if the customer didn't use it...left on the tray, she made us wash the packets and put back in rotation.
 

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Throwing food at someone is something I would never consider. That's a trash tier person action. Reminds me of some fast food fight you would see posted on social media. Dregs of society.

Or it's something I would have done when I was 16.
 

Alex

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When I was in college one of my part time jobs was at a Sonic.. for a very brief period. The owner had me sweep...yes, with a push broom, the gravel parking lot. She also allowed only one packet of ketchup per bag and if the customer didn't use it...left on the tray, she made us wash the packets and put back in rotation.

I'm sure that saved so much money...
 

McCheese

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Yeah in these situations of extreme jewosity it's almost always the managers enforcing the stupid rules and limits on stuff. I don't take it personally against the workers usually, unless it's obviously them being stupid.

Back in my Olive Garden days the manager made us charge $1.25 for each extra ramekin of sauce that people wanted. We also weren't allowed to toss extra tomatoes, etc. on the salad and we'd get in trouble if he saw us doing it. The rule was 1 tomato per person who ordered salad, and he'd actually go look at the table and count the people and compare with how many tomatoes we used.
 
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Mrs. Gravy

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I'm sure that saved so much money...
Yes, she was tight. She was something to work for...she never worked as one of us, even if we were slammed (that is bad mngmt). She hired people with promise of 20 hours pt per week...I totally could handle the crazy parking lot sweeping and condiment packet washing, but not the 4 hours a week I got instead of the 20. She was a fat old liar with a bee hive hair-do and a whole lot of lazy and crazy.
 
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Hekotat

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I'm not saying you were wrong about the fact that maybe they should have given you the Honey Mustard. But throwing your food at them seems a bit much. Particularly since they probably already had your money. But like I said, I wasn't there, so who knows.

I'm not proud of what I did and I was shocked the owner reached out to me when he really didn't have to. It was a shitty day, and after a 14 hour shift I just wanted to eat and go to bed. Their refusal to give me one sauce turned into a full blown confrontation that escalated quickly and it didn't help that they had an attitude to begin with. I also did not want a dry ass sausage egg and cheese biscuit.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that I had been eating there for years with no issues and all of a sudden it was.
 

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Yes, she was tight. She was something to work for...she never worked as one of us, even if we were slammed (that is bad mngmt). She hired people with promise of 20 hours pt per week...I totally could handle the crazy parking lot sweeping and condiment packet washing, but not the 4 hours a week I got instead of the 20. She was a fat old liar with a bee hive hair-do and a whole lot of lazy and crazy.

That's the biggest thing about proper management - they stand by what they say - you're right to label her as a shitty manager for that reason. The other are cheapass and weird, but making promises of hours and not coming anywhere close - inexcusable.
 
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BrutulTM

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Do you really want to turn this political? Plenty of work - including factory work - something that was decidely a "career choice" (in fact for most of those most prosperous years of the US it was the primary career) has been largely staffed by minimum wage work for most of the years. (Although post-unionizing many of them did get pretty decent - but they were considered a valid career choice previous to unionizing even) - in the first half of the 20th century people would raise families and own homes on a SINGLE minimum wage job.

And considering how sparse jobs are in some areas, pick and choosing what's a "valid career choice" is a laughable argument - unless we're going to start paying to help people relocate or reeducate (which I'd wager would be costly - and quite possibly cause a lack of service industry employees that our economy is largely driven by - which would in turn cause them to have to increase wages to fight for a scarcity of employees).

Fuck, if you even look at the costs to most of these fast food businesses, payroll is like 20-30% of their actual overhead at most. As a consumer assuming they wouldn't tighten up hours a bit in response that means your $5 burger meal goes to around $6.

So much angst over trying to save a buck or so a day. (And before the "wah-wah inflation" argument, you might want to look at the actual evidence on how minimum wage and inflation has functioned in reality - which really shouldn't be shocking since it just disperses existing income, it doesn't actually create any - same pool of money with more people using it just creates more economic movement, doesn't increase the size of the pond - the NJ/NY study was really telling, and by the end of next year should have an update as well I'd imagine)

And before you start weighing in with "people don't do a better job with more pay" argument - yes they do - I've seen it firsthand in my own hiring back in my HR days. People that would come to my employer (who paid well in excess of minimum wage for "untrained" tier employees - I was allowed to start people at $11/hr without a HS diploma/GED ten years ago) working two jobs because they felt they still needed it, got their first raise or two started making enough to drop their second job and suddenly are seeing all their metrics increase drastically overnight, I can even recall multiple cases of someone doubling their metrics once they weren't burning the candle at both ends anymore. Sick and tired employees by nature do shitty work. As do employees that are using their brainpower to juggle two or three sets of company policies and procedures.

Additionally - right now welfare and disability pay people nearly the same amount FOR DOING NOTHING that they can earn doing minimum wage work - doesn't it make a modicum of sense that the people that aren't leeching off the tax payer teat see a substantially more comfortable life than those that are being taken care of via Federal dollars?

TL;DR - You're wrong historically, you're wrong logically, and unless you just expect to throw people to the wolves like some third world country - other solutions likely involve money that will impact your bottom-line far worse. Period. (And no, I don't do anywhere near minimum wage work - this wouldn't impact me in the slightest, except perhaps negatively, since I work in hiring people, some of which are factory level work that might consider $15 fast food over factory assembly with a slight danger level for a little bit more - before you even consider that nonsense)

Minimum Wage Increases, Wages, and Low-Wage Employment: Evidence from Seattle

This paper evaluates the wage, employment, and hours effects of the first and second phase-in of the Seattle Minimum Wage Ordinance, which raised the minimum wage from $9.47 to $11 per hour in 2015 and to $13 per hour in 2016. Using a variety of methods to analyze employment in all sectors paying below a specified real hourly rate, we conclude that the second wage increase to $13 reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by around 9 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by around 3 percent. Consequently, total payroll fell for such jobs, implying that the minimum wage ordinance lowered low-wage employees’ earnings by an average of $125 per month in 2016. Evidence attributes more modest effects to the first wage increase. We estimate an effect of zero when analyzing employment in the restaurant industry at all wage levels, comparable to many prior studies.

There are always unintended consequences to screwing with the markets.
 
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Yes, she was tight. She was something to work for...she never worked as one of us, even if we were slammed (that is bad mngmt). She hired people with promise of 20 hours pt per week...I totally could handle the crazy parking lot sweeping and condiment packet washing, but not the 4 hours a week I got instead of the 20. She was a fat old liar with a bee hive hair-do and a whole lot of lazy and crazy.
It's amazing how many shitty managers there are. For nearly a decade I tried to advance the ladder across all manner of companies and all were blockaded by the likes of Beehive here
I even once pulled aside a corporate lord and said, "What's your strategy here for keeping this guy in place?"
 
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Vaclav

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Minimum Wage Increases, Wages, and Low-Wage Employment: Evidence from Seattle

There are always unintended consequences to screwing with the markets.

It's possible, however it's equally possible that it's just a blip from implementation - initial numbers from the NY/NJ minimum wage research looked similar 2 years in with it being a slight loss - it was around 3-4 years in when it ended up showing consistent results. It's not odd or unusual for the initial reaction to it to be overly cautious.

Implementing almost any large sweeping change is generally met with caution for a bit before moving back to normal. I would expect some growing pains while getting there from all research, like Seattle is having currently. Although I do find it confusing that they say hours dropped by 9% but wages increased 3% with a net of $125/mo lost. $11-13 is a 20% increase in wages per hour, so that doesn't work out if they meant it hourly - and if they meant it overall 3% greater wages couldn't be a $125/mo loss because that would be a gain.

That logic knot is a tad problematic with putting too much weight in the study for me. (In addition to knowing that other studies have shown negative results early with positive results after 3-4 years)
 

Hekotat

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lol, this was back when I was like 18. I was a rage filled angsty teenager living in Hicksville just wanting a fucking sausage cheese mcmuffin and sleep.

Then they fucked it all up, shortly after they really fucked it up when they changed their honey mustard from god tier to shit tier.
 
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Hekotat getting roasted up in here.

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Had chicken mcnuggets today for the first time in years. Hot from the fryer they are so fucking good.
 
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