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The original character art for VG was very good. It was some of my favorite character art I've ever seen in a mmo. Aion is the only thing that topped it in my opinion. The zone art is also very good. The engine and all of that needed a ton of work but that wasn't the fault of the artists.

EQ has more a more realistic art style and has very few polygons. It does just fine. PS2 has a realistic style and looks great. It also has hundreds of players in the same area at a time. A more realistic style doesn't require more polygons, but it does require better artists to make it work...

SoE changed the character art for VG 9 months or so after the game was released. The artists they used were not very good. In fact they did such a bad job of it that I left the game. The original Vanguard character art was very good, and would still look good to this day. It is the quality of...

Well they have to make money somehow. And selling bag space isn't P2W. It's also one of the very few things that I am actually willing to pay for. If EQNext is anything like the item bloated abominations EQ and EQNext are then they'll be making bank off of me. But item bloat also kills my...

If the feedback was all negative then I would hope they listened. But from what I've seen most of the feedback on EQNext is positive or at least hopeful. They should just stick to the path they have defined and make sure they do a good job of it.

All the extra space that Station Cash can buy...

He doesn't know. He's just spouting idiotic blather. Good games sell, hardcore or casual. When hardcore games fail it is because they are not made well, not because they are hardcore.

The reason EQ2's art looks bad now is because it always sucked. The artists responsible for EQ2's character art were not very good. There are plenty of examples of stylistic cartoon art that sucks also. It is the quality of the artists that matters, not the style of the art. Keith Parkinson's...

Heh good point. But the WoWtards I was talking about are the minority who defend the game no matter what crap it shoots down the glory hole. Most people who play WoW just do so because the rest of the herd is there. I don't consider them to be WoWtards, just average people. WoWtards defend the...

I prefer the fatties. Really excited and looking forward to EQNext. But it fails EQ1. Someday, someone will recreate the EQ1 experience and the WoWtards will never understand when it is so extremely successful. EQ1 / Darksouls is the game the genre really needs.

Still catching up to the days events. Depends on what you are talking about Draegan. EQNext is NOTHING like GW2 in terms of gameplay. Almost every facet is different. Apples and Oranges when talking about the actual experience of playing. But if you mean Hype vs Reality then that is just a...

Progression servers are popular enough in EQ1 that you need a subscription to access them, and plenty of players do. For me personally, they are the only reason to sub to EQ, and sometimes I do just to get a nostalgia trip. I can see EQNext offering a version of F2P progression servers for...

Hah. I have a troll SK and a boxed froglok Shaman on some server. Couldn't make it to level 10. The troll in me always wanted to SMASH that idiot froglok

Also a race in EQ1. Cool concept, gay execution. All the new toons start in their home city.

I know this is very late to the party (workin fo da man), but fuck you. I am one who would love to see EQ1 again but am also excited to see this game (although I could do without the ubah pauldrons). Your pathetic bigotry fails. Go back to WoW boy. Still 30 pages behind. So if I missed any...

The original character models in Vanguard were very good. Unibody isn't ideal but even with it VG's character art was some of the my favorite in any mmo. It was SoE that fucked that up by coming in and replacing it with more "heroic" character art that was very poorly done. SoE up until...

Primarily a PvP mmo with 2 hard coded factions fighting over resources (black gold) in the center of the map. Could be fun but my guess is that it will fail in the west pretty hard. 2 faction pvp mmos just never work here. Aion did pretty well in Korea though, so this game may be a success...

The most critical issue involving the game: feign death Is it in game? If so, does it work like EQ1's awesome version or is it useless crap like in EQ2. edit: this ties into mkopec's question below

The main issue is it's just not realistic to create a mega server for a fantasy land based IP without a ton of instancing (phasing or overflow) of some sort. You can't fit that many players into a zone even with todays hardware. So they have to be spread out over a huge world full of hundreds of...

I thought TESO was pretty highly instanced? EQNext supposedly wont have much instancing. A mega server without a lot of instancing or phasing requires a huge world with hundreds of zones and slow travel, like EvE. Then someway to force players to spread out and stay that way. EvE can get away...

As much as I would love to see a first person only EQNext, realistically 3rd person is expected by most mmo players. Even TESO only begrudgingly added first person after the uproar of the diehard Elder Scrolls fans. They designed their game for 3rd person from the start. My guess is EQN will...

True, but most players are sensitive to that path also. Just look at all the epic threads regarding P2W for every new mmo or every mmo that switched from the sub model. Being able to buy gold doesn't make a game automatically P2W. You have to be able to buy an advantage at the endgame with...

The slippery slope argument would be valid if more games actually sold uber loot in their cash shops. The reality is that most of the major F2P mmos do not sell uber loot in their shops and wont because it turns gamers away. You can't sell anything if nobody plays the game. There are P2W...

One of Rift's most popular servers is Seastone, the PvP server. But Rift's open world PvP sucks. Occasionally a higher level ganks lowbies but for the most part you don't see the other side. If you want to PvP it's faster to just queue up for an instance. Which means less people PvPing in the...

I liked EQ2's housing, it was instanced. Although, I assumed they would go for Vanguard's open world type, with plot buying, etc. /shrug Never really cared about housing anyways. But I was curious how they would implement it into their "sandbox" claim. Instancing seems a bit counter intuitive.

Imo, the two best classes ever created in any mmo were EQ1's Shadow Knight and Monk. If they aren't in EQNext I will be seriously disappointed. Other than that the rest of the info sounds fine. Pretty basic though.

d Yep. I love this thread and it's because SoE has hidden their cards for so long. It has let our imaginations run wild with ideas and speculations that are actually interesting to consider. A lot of very good ideas about what should or shouldn't be in mmos have been put forth here. I have...

Too much inside baseball UT. Sorry, but I tend to glaze over your long posts. You may be right about the details, and given your history and the history of mmos, probably are. But all I care about is if I actually enjoy the game. And only I can decide that. Almost every dev you hate with a...

Too much brown...... My only major complaint with TESO at this point is that I'm sick of fantasy based mmo's (WildStar is NOT an alternative). The IP forces them to keep the standard tropes (as does EQNext), but it really is tiresome seeing elves, goblins and brown everywhere.

That, and we are all ultra-sensitized to hype because of all the perceived* failures that have happened since our lost days of innocence in the fabulous fabled land of Antonica. * I say "perceived" because even though most gamers (and especially UT) consider 99 percent of mmos to be...

Don't dis my Raiders man, I'll send the ghost of Al after you. I think I said the same thing in about 5 less paragraphs.

Pretty much. Although UT has more info about the companies and games he "predicts" will fail than most other people do. And more info is always good. Predict a success then I'll be impressed.

Well, mmo's are atm machines for gaming companies. Even the crappy ones make bank as long as they keep the dev / support teams at a reasonable level. SWTOR lost money at first not because of of sub numbers, which were pretty good compared to most mmos, but because they had an extremely bloated...

PS2 is hugely successful for Sony, and their most recent mmo. It has the same engine that EQNext is using and their cash shop is the model EQNext will probably use. Totally different games otherwise but the basic foundation is good.

UT, do you consider PS2 and DCuO to be failures? Last I heard they were doing fairly well, especially PS2. Which indicates they may have righted the ship. EQ is their flagship IP though, it will be interesting to see how much they have actually learned from their past failures and successes...

Nothing to report really. Some crappy videos were leaked and have since been taken down. The official information is standard hype.

I thought SoE picked up Vanguard from Sigil for next to nothing (in Dev dollars)? Just a cheap way to enhance their Station Access package. And since they never really supported the game in anything but a minimal way, that seemed to be true. It sunk Sigil for sure but SoE didn't even blink...

It's called snowball arena. If I recall you join it in Lions Arch. It's fairly simple, you just drop in with a bunch of other players and try to take over objectives. You can decide what role you play I think, don't remember if your class matters. It's fun and not too complicated. Try it, it...

Come on. Stop with the selective quotes, I also said I enjoyed most of the updates. Again, since you haven't played any of the the updates you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. None of the udates can be fully consumed in 3 hours. I never finished any of them and some I spent...

Yeah, my guild doesn't log in anymore either. But that was because most of them bought the game for the WvW, hoping that it would rekindle the DAoC memories. Not to be unfortunately. The couple that still play I encouraged to join other guilds so they could get the new guild achievements and...