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Ever play Mass Effect.. Biotics were essentially a CC class and I always thought the mechanics of that game could be translated to more of an action MMO but in the vein that you describe.

The old links I had don't work seems the page is down but server is still up. It was vanilla it seems i was incorrect about it being TBC. http://www.wow-one.com/forum/99-emerald-dream/ I may be up for a go if anyone wants to give it a shot.

Indeed. What I always liked about a game world like this is effort = success, where as in the real world effort is a small part of success at least in the corporate world where I live.

bad ass idea sir.

Honestly it true with anything you do... time spent contributes to improvement at anything.. Hell I play golf, talk about a prime example.

I very much enjoyed WoW though TBC.. Have you checked out Emerald Dream ( not sure if still running ). I was on there a bit.

Non linear dungeons.

Seriously? there are a TON of things from EQ that have been NOT brought forward in current titles that have nothing to do with spawn timers...

Was Arcanum any good ?

/sheeple

So are there "Obsidians" of the MMO space ? For some reason I am drawing a complete blank when I try to think of one.

You guys are going to think I am nuts but in the Vein of Project Eternity, what about a larger MMO studio ( SOE or Trion perhaps ) creating a kickstarter within itself like Obsidian did with PE ? It blows my mind in hindsight that why wouldn't SOE sponsor one of these things as an internal...

Where is tad at ? Wonder. How Vg emu is going... That may be an option or eqnext make your own MMO assuming that will be possible

I must be missing them can you shoot me some links perhaps I will check em out.. I did find this one (just starting however) .. Shadow sun http://ossianstudios.com/tss Seems pretty cool it's very D&D like.

Herein lies the problem... its not about what developers want to make, its about what gets funded. Check out project eternity.. the whole premise was making a baldurs like experience again, which they used KS because it would never get funded through normal channels.

Dood its just nastalgia *waves hand*, you didn't really like eq *waves hand* you should become sheeple like most gamers today *waves hand*. Kidding aside, your post is spot on

It's because dungeons have gotten stupid. In D&D it's about encounters ... Not trash mobs.. Traps need to come back and locked doors etc...as well.. Class related abilities that allow u to solve a special way and exclusive way is cool too

Well said sir.

Honestly vanilla wow was great although as for classes, I would take vanguard classes, dungeons, vanguard/ddo dungeons with a wow world ( size matters) and wow like animations.. Rift almost got there IMO but screwed the pooch by limited racial starting areas, linear and single leveling path (no...

If you think the MMO genre has NOT regressed.. just look at 90% of releases .. player base dwindles after 30 days.. ppl are not sticking because there just isn't enough meat on the bone anymore. The genre is built for casuals who are willing to spend in cash shops..in the past the content was...

Nope. Another generalization failure. . For some of us the Journey IS the Destination. ..and the journey in recent titles is a joke.. I want leveling to take a year.

What did they do to sunken temple I dug that place

Nek castle in eq2 was awesome sauce. All that needs to be done is drop the linear crap add traps back in ala D&D and add puzzles. DDO has the best dungeons since eq1 with vanguard (RIP) up there as well..

Lol indeed.. The only modern RPG that has me playing it again and again is Skyrim. Been playing baldurs on ipad and it's just as good as it always has been.

Maybe eqnext or landmark or whatever can be used to make a real MMO worth playing more than 30 days

You are correct about the social part of things... and this is what is missing from so many new titles. That said, if you go back and play a game like Baldur's Gate for example, you are not handed a full set of equipment every area you complete... encounters are tough and equipping your...

LoL true that.

And just think all they had to do was NOT fuck up the tiers and they would have that 800k. Amazes me how much noise this created with very little there-there.

Can't tell if serious. Because of freakin Greenscale ? leveling was probably 5 times as fast with 5 times less the content not to mention less dungeons ( they were all retreads ) at end game... and yes, the fact that you cant see the whole world with 1 char... i.e. there are more ways to go...

Sounds sexy on paper, but what you need to be careful of is that baseline kiddie price ( what we all used to pay ) = less entertainment that it used to be as in, less content. Now, we pay for the bells and whistles which, really used to be included in the kiddie price. So we pay more for what...

RIFT suffered from lack of content, there was no reason to ALT at all with 1.25 leveling paths.

Your math is way off bro.

Its the movie industry... how many truly good movies are there ? New original ideas ? Very few.... what gets made ? The same shit over and over... Its too bad this happened but it did... at least there are gems out there, Dark Souls, Skyrim... but they are too few and far between.. .

Every time i try to go play eq the graphics just destroy it for me, its so damn old.

Vanaguard was a great game that had a shitty launch and horrible technical problems. That is why for me personally I was looking forward to whatever Pantheon became. The group mechanics, dungeons and classes were rockstar. But I get what you are saying the market has changed and the big...

This is still a Q4 release ya ?

Honestly i think this is the way to go. If they stay true to the original discussions around group mechanics, this would stand out in the current multiplayer / MMo world and go against the grain as far as MMO funding goes. The idea of releasing something smaller along this vein is a fantastic...

That is the thing, from what they showed... hell get 5 of us in a room for weekend with beer, weed and chinese food and we would have had that and more..

IF you are doing something different build a co-op game first. Don't bother making a huge world yet... If you are not doing something different, don't bother.

So Hubris ... makes sense.