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Which "those fuckers" are we talking about? If you mean that there will be zero people on earth who dream of imposing Sharia law, sure. If you're talking about the major Islamic governments, you're already wrong.

Yeah that's nice. But not nearly good enough.

Amazing. I should really check that show out.

There's no support you can give for that that isn't entirely predicated on ignorance.

Fortunately it's really trivial to see the line of causation here.

If our goal is to reduce the level of Islamic (and presumably other religious) zealotry we have to rationally address the cause of that zealotry. Forceful interdiction doesn't really work for anything else (drugs, booze, whatever) and I don't think it works here, either.

That's impossible because Islam had the misfortune to originate in an area with the greatest single strategic resource of the last century (and probably this one too).

Really I wish we could just offer them up the entirety of the Reagan/Bush I/Bush II administrations and just say "we'll look the other way while you butt-rape these warcriminals until they die. Sorry we gave them the keys to power."

Well I mean when you look at the reality of the history of countries like say, Iran, most of the organizations that represent the people with the most reason to hate us have also been desperately trying to use diplomatic back channels to normalize relations with us for like fucking decades...

There's a differences between understanding why something happens and claiming it's justified. I said they (meaning the people of the Middle East, even if they happen to be atheists) are justified in wanting us wiped off the face of the map. That's not the same thing as saying that acts of...

Reparations would probably help.

It depends on what you mean by "we." If you mean average citizens, that's true but that's because we have fucked up political systems of our own.

Right but I think here also these people are going to have to have public institutions that are their own (which means for a while we're going to have tolerate theocratic governments that despise us).

There are clear examples where that's absolutely true. Moreover, all I have to suppose is that zealotry typically doesn't survive the forces of modernization without some kind of scaffolding.

Afghanistan is a pretty similar situation (although the Soviets sharesomeof the blame there).

You're assuming that counter-factual world where that western imperialism didn't happen that they'd still be zealots (and I guess still a bunch of goatherders, for that matter). There's no reason to believe that's true (and, in fact, good reasons to believe that itisn'ttrue).

It's not mixed by accident. The people of the middle east, wholly irrespective of their religion, are absolutely justified in wanting the west (and in particular the US and Britain) wiped off the face of the earth. To claim otherwise represents aprofoundignorance of the history of the region...

No more terrorism. Duh.

Didn't you hear him talking about Islam and Allah? I did. I mean just look how brown he is.

I think that was the pilot, IIRC.

I actually like this show, but the general reality show format of "here's what you've about to see, now you're seeing it, this is what you just saw" is fucking infuriating.

MY MIND!

lol Rules in english. You people are funny.

Of course it's a "jiff" sound, as in: Giraffics Interchange Format

See cause if it's a jury, it's not the government.

It's really shocking to me how people can't really come to grips with the exponential growth of inflation.

How can you people not have heard that before? Where are you from?

lolwut

I still don't understand how the fuck that's not a prequel. It's an earlier time in the same setting. How is that not a prequel? Because it doesn't have Ripley working her way up to warrant officer?

"a 13-year path to citizenship" What a fucking useless half-step. I guess that's the best we can hope for in this THEY GUNNA TAKE ERR JERBS dumbfuck country.

What if those "people" are zygotes?

lol Awesome.

Yeah we should definitely only be posting in the official thread.

Seriously that guy is a moron. That shit about military spending wasn't even coherent english.

I don't disagree, but I also don't think the state has the moral standing to carry out the sentence (for the reasons I just gave and others). It's all related.

Come on, Cecil wasn't that bad.

What about agents of the state that forcibly remove people from their homes and imprison people for doing things that hurt no one (or no one but themselves)?

You mean like people who wear the same gang colors and have insignias and walk around carrying guns and forcibly remove people from their homes?