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How so?

What happened in 1917 was one slave society being exchanged for another. There was no revolution in those terms.

Why would that make me wrong? You asserted a bit of unsupported reasoning first. That's means we're 2-1 on the assertion scoreboard. DEALT, BITCH. Why are the realistic alternatives constrained in that way? Explain to me how that doesn't immediately imply a system of exploitation. lol...

It's resolved: all men should be free to shave their balls. Especially if they tend to get sweaty while working in a shop.

There's nothing about division of labor that obligates that there be a class of people who earn money by charging others rent, interest, or profit. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I think it describes almost every country. I think it's more severe (remember what I was saying about parameters?) in China than in other places, precisely because of the proximity to poverty that you have outlined, and that that delta in development is why I don't consider them "developed" in...

NOT A THING ONLY DUMBFUCKS THINK THATS A THING WAGE = NOT SLAVE POOOOOOOOOP

RUN DUMAR, HE'S ONTO US

Citation for what? I asked you for specifics about the necessary conditions of ownership and you said "well just look at history!!onez" Am I not an authority on my own opinion? I have looked, quite extensively, at the human history of slavery and all various forms of crypto-slavery. From...

No they pretty much all fit China. The variance is totally superficial. Not grasping that chattel slavery doesn't represent the whole of the meaning of "slavery." Got it. The converse is true as well. So what? The fact of their desperation is NOT a justification for exploitation. That is the...

I'm asking what are the necessary conditions of ownership and what are the sufficient conditions for not-ownership. Yeah being rented for bottom dollar because your alternatives are even worse totally isn't a manifestation of coercion.

What does it mean for a person to be owned? lol uh huh

I (try to) respond to people exactly how they are to me. If they're civil I'm civil.

Oh? So if someone can own property, no matter how coerced they are in regards to what they do with their time, they're not a slave. Great. That's a really awesome dictionary definition you've got worked out there. You really seem to have grasped the concept.

Where does that say that slaves can't own property?

You're using a definition of slave that's so ridiculously narrow that to me it seems obviously ad hoc and that means I don't want to talk to you about this anymore because don't think you're being honest. I think we've reached the point in the conversation where you will say basically anything.

I know, right? I should be out finding Chinese yuppies to talk to. Dude have you looked at the estimates for the total economic inputs created by American slavery? You're just completely wrong here. I don't know what else to say. Calling China effectively a slave society makes me dogmatic...

1. You've confused mean and median. 2. So there are, according to you, more people in China making exactly 10k a year than there are members of whatever the definition of middle class is that you're using for America? I know that's not what you mean. There's some band that makes up that...

I'm implying that they're like the US circa the 1700's (which was a slave society at the time). The hard work and effort of America's slaves is a HUGE part of why America has been an economic powerhouse. A major part of why reparations aren't even on the table is that the scale of economic...

lol Dude do you understand how rates work? Here's a hint: THEY'RE FUCKING PER CAPITA. What the fuck does "a population of roughly 10 times their size" have to do with per capita (that's what that per 100,000 means) rates?

It's actually 9k for a family of 3. Now how much do you need to make to be a member of that "middle class" statistic you were talking about? Sources would be good. Except none of that precludes them from being a slave society. A slave society that underwent technological improvements could...

LOL Dude do you understand how rates work? China has a higher suicide rate than Japan.

lol I'd love for you to explain the math on this one. It's not a question of growth. Slave societies grow too. Slaves in the 1800's were much better off than slaves in 1700's. That's not an argument.

What's relevant is whether Chinese suicide rates are high in general (they're the 7th highest in the world). The whole point about that link was just to show that shit like suicide nets (meaning you're not even allowed to kill yourself in order to escape) exist in China. For the company to...

Yeah well how many Chinese people have YOU talked to? Checkmate, bro.

I realize that you don't get this because you're retarded, but what you're calling the "middle class" in china is not even close to the middle. That's fucking stupid. Moreover, a picture of what poverty looked like during the 50's is not really a great way to figure out how poverty in China...

lol From your own source: How, exactly, do you think it refutes my claim that China is a slave society to point out that even their places of business with lower-than-average suicide rates have to install suicide nets? The thing that fetters people to companies like FoxConn is the whole...

I think that they do say that (although maybe not, since they don't tend to refer to segments of the poor as "trash." Probably because they're not horrible human beings.

Oh well since you've talked to some Chinese people I'm sure you have a grasp of what life is like for the vast VAST majority of Chinese who aren't part of that "middle class" and certainly not wealthy enough to come to the US. I'm sure the people that you spoke to definitely don't have their...

In effect, yes. lolwut No, they're enslaving each other. A slave society is a society where slavery is legal. I mean it's not called slavery butyou can look at it and see pretty clearly that it is.

Ugh. Actually welfare reform was a failure, for reasons that were perfectly obvious to people on the ground:http://www.npc.umich.edu/publication...icybrief28.pdf

Large != developed. They're "developed" in precisely the same sense that the US was during the 17th century. It's basically just a giant slave economy. But don't listen to me. You wouldn't want to get the sense that China is not "developed" in the same sense as Japan and Sweden from my...

Yeah they did...when they worked for NASA.

I don't think that's true. We spend over a trillion dollars a year on the military. It's absolutely starving the beast. You've missed the point. It's still "privatized" even if there's a shitty, defective public alternative. The point is the wealthy will do what it takes to shape a society...

I think we could do a lot better. edit:// almost forgot! wank wank wank wank

FTFY

What if the sickness were that the people with wealth and therefore political power to fix the school systems had an eject button on society called "privatize it" that was cheaper to press than worrying about other kids' schools?

Landbridge, yo.

Dude he's just trolling you.

You understand which group posting this picture puts you in, right?