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Yeah and it sucks that prosecutors can overcharge like that (either hoping for a plea to a lesser charge or just wanting to get a bloodthirsty jury) and not get penalized because of the lesser included charges.

No way this movie ends up being as fun as it looks, but here's hoping.

So Duppin, where did you get the 40+ calls to 911? Or was it just an off the cuff comment because you think he was calling them all the time?

I have no idea where you went with that. There are people in jail though, who were attacked without provocation, used deadly force to defend themselves adn then were convicted. It is fairly rare, but it happens. Certainly I don't feel like I should have to try and retreat before trying to defend...

I would say SYG laws were more in response to the "duty to retreat" doctrine in many self-defense scenarios.

So fucking what if he violated the protocol? Violating it probably saved his life. It certainly didn't cause the initial confrontation if he didn't brandish it.

Sorry but just because NW protocol says you should be disarmed, doesn't mean you should be. Also, it had no effect on it. We have zero evidence that he brandished the gun at all. The ONLY THING THE GUN DID was make Trayvon die for assaulting zimmerman, rather than Zimmerman dying. edit: Nice...

I dunno, I just can't separate what I would do from what Zimmerman had done. Your neighborhood has a history of breakins and crime. You have just helped bust one person for breaking and entering. You see someone in your neighborhood that you have never seen before. Your fucking right I would...

The police suggested earlier that he should get a gun, in relation to calls about pit bulls. Also, he did report and to our knowledge never went to confront him. So yeah, contrary to what you said, he was in the NW watch and pretty much followed protocol. Now normally NW protocol doesn't carry a...

Also, " During the 18 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher.[86][87][88]...

False From wikipedia "In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police...

I think he is going to be found guilty of manslaughter. The jury will want to do something about Trayvon dying. They will want to find someone to blame. Yet Trayvon died because he thought the correct response to someone following him was to physically assault them. To his bad luck that...

From wikipedia on the background to the shooting... So he had multiple calls for example on a pit bull that was loose. Being a watchman for a year, and considering you have to call multiple times to get police to show up for pretty much anything, I don't see 47 as being a large number. Also...

You act like 47 times is a huge number. He was being a neighborhood watchman WHO IS SUPPOSED TO CALL when he sees suspicious people. Most likely many of those calls were followups to the first call of an incident also. You have zero evidence that he was calling 911 based on racism, yet we are...

At first I was thinking it didn't look much like the Viper from the books (not that looks matter that much), but then I saw this... http://www.imdb.com/media/rm223328256/nm0050959 That definitely looks Viperish enough for me.

I think we are focusing too much on the 2nd degree murder charge. The prosecution hasn't even come close to proving that. However, if you start thinking in terms of manslaughter, then they have a much stronger case. Still not enough, since it seems clear to me that Zimmerman was justified in...

I don't think Zimmerman showed any racism, but I also don't think it adds much to the discussion to link abunch of extreme BS from facebook. On the extreme sides of every issue you have crazies. Lets keep that shit in the wtf or FSR.

I don't think Trayvon would have attacked Zimmerman if he had brandished the gun.

What is the downside to starting with 2nd degree manslaughter if the jury can just find them guilty of a lesser charge? Plenty of people have said it was a mistake to charge Zimmerman with that, but if the jury could still rule manslaughter or whatever, seems no downside from the prosecutors pov.

Attacking someone for simply following you is still wrong, whether or not the person had a gun. The only thing the addition of the gun did (if we take evidence at face value) was stop Trayvon from possibly killing Zimmerman by smashing his head into the sidewalk.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon. There were break ins in the area, he followed someone he didn't know. That is not racist or against the law in any way. It certainly isn't evidence of racial profiling.

Great great link Sean. That video is great and really has me pumped for this generation.

Does anyone think that he is guilty of 2nd degree murder? Do you think he will be convicted? I just don't see how they can convict him it at all.

They have no authority that makes someone have to ANSWER. However, they sure as fuck can ask questions. However, to you, being a "wannabe cop" means that someone deserves to get attacked for asking questions.

The evidence actually seems to point to Zimmerman backing off and Trayvon following Zimmerman to confront him. What makes you convinced that Zimmerman was doing more than just following Trayvon? Because he was a "creepy ass cracker"?

No, that was when he started banging someone's head against the sidewalk.

We don't know "exactly what happened here". If we did it would be alot easier. What we do know is that at some point Trayvon Martin was banging Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk, at which point Zimmerman pulled out a gun and shot him. As for instigating a physical assault. Again...

Good intelligent from the heart post. What riles me up about this case is that most of the people convinced Zimmerman should be guilty are basing it on him instigating something by just following someone. Just following someone SHOULD NOT, at all, be anything close to something that should...

Okay, either you are trolling now or you are gargling peroxide now.

Whoa now, so are you implying that when Sarah Palin was ranting about death panels, in actuality she knew about the death ray but couldn't admit it due to its secrecy, yet still she tried to do what she could to get it stopped? She is damn lucky Obama didn't take her out. True american hero for...

I don't know if we can call it the Obamaray. Who knows how long this thing has existed, it could have been under Bush or even Clinton. Think of all the car accidents since the deathray was invented. How many of them might have been caused by the CIA? I'm just asking questions man.

If true, it is yet another sign that it is definitely possible for consumer pressure to change these companies. We don't have to just bend over and accept DRM and bullshit policies like some of the people early on in this thread seemed to think. The shit is not inevitable.

This this this this this. I mean, fuck, I was annoyed at Chaos for for buying into the entire government line and being completely apathetic to PRISM. Yet you crazies have me rooting for him now. Just lol at all the people that think the government is going around with a "destroy a car...

Well, especially considering that if they are more than just acquaintances, it should be relatively easy to convince them to move. I mean, ALL the advantages this cycle are on the PS4. Cheaper, more powerful, doesn't require a special new headset, will include a fuckload more indie games, you...

Their friends aren't on any Xbone, it isn't out yet. Also, what fucking exclusives?

Come on now. I'm all behind trying to get rid of PRISM and shit, but if you think that someone hacked a journalists car to kill him, you are way into crazyland.

Just finished the 3rd book. Enjoyed the 3rd book more than 2nd. Think I am going to look up one of the "real" histories and check it out. It is somewhat amazing to think how one man changed so much of the world (imo mostly for the worse, but still).

Duppin puts zero value on any gun related right, so probably anything.

You mean you don't? How do you afford new guns?

Lyrical is going full Utnayan on Man of Steel and just can't let it go. He just has to make sure that everyone hates the thing he hates. The next step is for him to start taking notes on other posters and claiming he played for the Vikings.