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TESO just announced for Q1 2014. Mmos are like movie launches, they don't like to step on each other. So the earliest would be Q2 for EQNext. Given how little info is actually out there my bet is fall 2014.

2014 makes much more sense. It was obvious from how little info is actually out there that they weren't ready.

Bungie is what makes this cool, otherwise it would be just another FPS mmo.

The community argument is valid but in today's mmos it really doesn't mean much except in a global sense. In EQ, server communities were king and they still exist today, but that is the exception, not the rule. More important is the fact that even WoW has serious issues with unpopulated...

They haven't explained it in detail as far as I know. They mention shards but what that means is anyone's guess. I support the idea of a megaserver. I think all mmo's should go that route. GW2's version didn't go far enough imo, they should have everyone in overflow servers for PvE and just...

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Lol, lots of jimmies rustled with my post on your precious. I generally stay away from this thread, but the slobbering love for the crap art style got the better of me. But telling me to go away is a bit hypocritical hmm? Considering the massive amount of shit flinging that generally goes on...

I read up on this game a bit recently. I could be wrong on some of this info but if I recall Runescape 2 was released and they gave people the option of staying in Runescape 1. They eventually dropped the 2 and it became just Runescape, while Runescape 1 was renamed to classic and new accounts...

/shrug SoE certainly has had their fair share of screw ups. But most people like PS2, and I still log into EQ1 occasionally. PS1 was glorious for a few months and I even enjoyed EQ2 for a bit. There is a ton of things they could do better though. EQNext probably wont be the game I am hoping...

The art style is gay. Game may be the best thing since sliced bread but I will never play it because of the art, and I know a lot of people who feel the same way. But, as WoW has proven, there are plenty of people who like living in a Saturday morning cartoon.

Nice picture of Draegan you got there Laura.

The vast majority of players do not raid in mmos, and many never even reach max level.

I can understand where you and Draegan are coming from, but max level isn't always the best experience. WAR and Rift are good examples of that. In WAR the best gameplay was the first tier, 2nd tier too but the gameplay was far and above more fun at the first 10 levels. Rift has a similar...

Extended travel only works with very populated worlds (servers). Using multiple-server tech like the traditional old school mmos, extended travel always fails because most people leave after a couple of months, making grouping and raiding difficult for those who stick around. But that doesn't...

Hah, too true. And the "new kids on the block" (yep, I'm implying that everyone is gay after us jaded old fucks... sue me) will be jaded after LoL is old and past it's prime.

Back in Classic EQ the best path wasn't the path most people used though. That wasn't because EQ was so much better, but because the internet was still relatively new and people didn't automatically google every strat for every action. EQ benefited from our ignorance and we had a lot of fun...

EvE is considered a sandbox mmo by most people, even though it doesn't have world building tools. But that is mainly because of the focus on PvP.

Endgame raiding was like this on some servers. On my server every mob target was FFA for most of the time my guild was playing. Which meant we were constantly griefing and being griefed by the other top guilds. It was glorious and the best time I have ever had in an mmo. The drama was intense...

EQ wasn't a sandbox mmo, but it did have more freedom and less theme park than most mmos that came after it. It's all relative. Arguing how may angels fit on the head of a sandbox mmo pin is kind of pointless, but understandable given that there isn't much else to talk about. And the EQ...

Think the Raptr deal is still going on. You can get the expansion for free by just leaving the game on at the log in screen for 14(?) hours with the Raptr client up. It will disconnect you but as long as you don't hit the "ok" button, you'll still get credit.

Not at all, was just asking for more info. I haven't been following this game at all. Sounds serious, sucks for them.

Lol, aye. I just started a new toon. I have multiple 50's but had no clue how to play them, and my banks are full of stuff I have to research and figure out. But to be fair, the same thing happens in every mmo I go back to. EQ is the worst for that. I've always thought that a better storage...

Is just one person saying this? Or have multiple employees complained? It makes a difference. There are always one or two employees, even at the best companies, who say they are singled out. And yelling happens at every company occasionally also. It shouldn't but people are what they are. If...

98 percent of the internet (using UT's ass end number) thought SWTOR was going to be the next coming of god. Can't get much more herdlike than that. And in this instance UT is following the herd. He does have personal reasons of some sort also though. Look, I don't know if TESO is going to be...

Well the lemmings all jumped on WAR and all jumped on SWTOR, so their record of being right is about as bad as it can get. It took beta for people to realize WAR had issues and most people didn't figure out SWTOR's problems untill after launch. I'll wait for beta. You can follow the herd.

Lol, lemmings. Didn't your mother every ask you the basic question about jumping off of cliffs?

Not believing the hype is something everyone should do in every game. But people jump on the hope train anyways. Good or bad PR doesn't make a game good or bad. And so far all we have for TESO and WildStar is PR. But that hasn't stopped people from prejudging those games anyways. The best...

UT and Draegan have already decided to hate the game. So they are predisposed to see everything in a negative light. Just ignore them. I saw it the way you did, which is also the way the player explained it. Since he isn't a mmo player generally, but is a big ES fan. The info coming out is...

There is no special skill in claiming a mmo will fail since most do by gamer standards. You get no cookies for that. So until there is an actual playable beta I will continue to withhold judgement.

That is your opinion and of many people on this board. But I have yet to see any proof of that. The biggest negative I have seen is that TESO is more of the same, a quest driven fantasy mmo. Which in and of itself is meh, but that doesn't automatically qualify it as a failure.

Oh, I agree with you on the tuning thing. But the faction PvP element was largely irrelevant very soon after release.

They quickly gave up on faction pvp when all the Guardians left the pvp servers after free transfers became available. There is only one PvP server now and even if they open up new servers due to F2P, there wont be any new PvP servers.

One of the advantages of raiding at a high level in EQ was being able to do the endgame content with smaller numbers.. more loot for everyone. And if we wanted to carry somebody's girlfriend or the the guy who made us laugh, it didn't bother anyone. Of course EQ raids weren't as scripted back...

Denaut's very first post if I recall, destroyed the myth that game engines have as much to do with a mmo's problems as the gaming community constantly spouts. Mmo devs change the engines so much during development that they are very different from the tools they started with. SWTOR's downfall...

F2P doesn't happen for a couple more weeks. Lots of people coming back now though, and new players too with the Rift Raptr deal. Most of the servers are at high during primetime and the Euros are complaining about queue times. Edit: free weekend, may 30th to june 3rd.

Sure, but all that would do is move their dwindling subs from WoW to Titan. And since Blizzard thinks they will continue to lose tons of subs in the coming years because of the plethora of F2P WoW clones out there, it doesn't really make much sense to add another one. Blizzard is in a strange...

Lol, you are probably right. Which means that Titan was just another WoW clone, doomed to ridicule and failure.

WTF are you talking about? GW2 is constantly adding new content every few weeks. There is a ton of it and it is free (assuming you bought the box). Much of it is in the form of temporary events but that still requires a lot of dev time. Especially since many of the temporary events have new...

It's very similar to the GW2 setup. In GW2 you are bound to your server for WvW but for PvE you can play on any server, using guesting. It sounds like they just took it to the next level and eliminated the PvE servers altogether, which is what GW2 should have done. As for PvP meaning nothing...

Different subject. We were discussing the person who operates BetaCake and whether he and his site are just a paid PR service for the gaming companies. Turned out he is legit. Shills who go to that site (or any gaming site) are a different matter, and not one that I ever disagreed with. And...