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Yeah, from the sounds of it they still have a ton of work to do. When is WildStar supposed to release? I'm sure they don't want to step on each others toes.

I'm fine with his info. And watermarks would kill his access. The real test is open beta anyways. That is the only thing that will decide if the game is good or not to me. Not sure why you all are so worked up over something you've never played.

Interesting. If cc is truly resource intensive then that could be an effective way to keep it from overpowering the game. If their PvP RvR is anything like advertised (or even half assed), then it could still be better than the current alternatives. Wish they'd hurry up and test the PvP. This...

Soo.. did the Raptr thing and picked up the expansion. Didn't get the 30 days unfortunately, but decided to mess around with some low level toons to get the swing of things again until F2P. Looks like a lot of people are doing the same thing, plenty of players in the low level zones and the...

Is the game really due in November? I missed that part. Given the state of the game (as much as we know it), that seems a bit early. GW2 this time last year was getting ready for the weekend betas.

The mentality of mmo gamers is changing. F2P use to be a dirty word but now people expect it. There are so many good mmos out that are F2P that it is even effecting WoW's sub numbers. Blizzard has blamed much of their highly publicized million plus sub losses over the last 3 months on the...

That post wasn't directed at you per se, you just were the last one to call TESO a WoW clone. And Draegan I don't have a problem with WoW, I have a problem with hypocrites who say they hate WoW clones and then hump the biggest WoW clone of them all.

LOL, and yet the master of all WoW clones WildStar, gets hand jobs from this board. I really love the hypocrisy here. Actually made me laugh out loud when I read the last few posts. Like I said before, I'll just wait for a playable open beta before I judge. I have very little faith in the...

Yep, I would love a game like that too, and the mmo space could really use another one (modern EQ has eliminated most of the danger). But it would never match classic EQ's experience for me because of it being my first mmorpg. First girlfriend/mmorpg and all that.

Special case with TesoTester. He's not saying anything he didn't say before on BetaCake and I suspect Draegan thinks the entertainment value is worth it.

Same for me, plus an added dimension was that it was all so new. I had never played an rpg of any sort before, never played Dungeons and Dragons, etc. My online computer gaming experience was shooting rocket launchers at other people's avatars. That was glorious but EQ trumped it. So the...

There is tendency for some gaming posters to fill up space with wild accusations, hyperbole and personal attacks. Without posting facts to back up their claims. It really makes threads unreadable after a while. I suspect BetaCake just wants to keep the threads more informative and less cesspool...

Yep. I actually agree UT a lot more than he realizes. It's just he sometimes goes overboard.... way overboard heheh. But that is part of what makes him entertaining, so I try not to protest too much.

Hah, cool, do some shots for me!

Shills definitely exist but I don't think Blackwulf is one, nor is he tesotester. Their writing styles are totally different. Blackwulf just wants the game to succeed, much like many of the fans of WildStar do. That isn't a crime and it doens't make them shills. Your campaign against him or...

Uhh, that really doesn't prove anything. Somebody could have called him on it there or he might read this board. You really are going a bit off the deep end on all of this. You act like they baked your kids in an oven or something. Anyways, carry on. I wish there was something real from TESO...

Yep you nailed, except for the shutting down part. Even crappy mmo's make money and rarely shut down. Even if TESO is a disaster it will still pull in new players because of the IP and keep making money for years to come. It won't get WoW numbers but as all the other mmos have proven, you...

Yeah, I was wondering that too actually. I assumed they were independent, they would lose a lot of cred if they weren't. Then again maybe they are tired of the herd mentality that seems to have taken over in regards to TESO and WildStar. Rationality seems to have been lost in both of those...

Hmm, after reading the comments by the tester and the BetaCake mods, I'm not sure I can agree with UT and the rest of the pilers on. It may be a shill job but they come off as pretty legit. Not sure why BetaCake would want to lie about these things. I don't know whats going on behind the...

Hah, I logged into EQ the other day on one of my low level toons and he was by the chessboard. He's been parked there for years, have no idea why. What a memory trip. Killed a couple skeles while I was there and did bit of running around. Zone didn't age well but for whatever reason it still has...

Mmo's usually lay off a bunch of people after launch. It's a gypsy lifestyle.

Pretty much. I think the issue you are having is not understanding that while most of us may call mmos mediocre and uninspired, we still find them to be much better entertainment than other activities.

Lol. Aion's character builder can do most of what you asked for. Some people made really butt ugly toons in that game.

Lol, I play mmo's because they are entertaining. Don't play as much as I use to but that has more to do with RL obligations than the mmo's themselves. I assume everyone is pretty much the same way. Nobody plays mmos because they feel they have to. To even accuse people of that makes you sound...

The game might be crap on a silver stick and most of us will still buy it (raises hand - guilty as charged). Even crappy mmo's are fun for a short time right after launch, just because they are new and different. Also there are tons of other people to play with at launch, mmos are much more fun...

It depends. Some mmos are Pay to Win, Runes of Magic is a good example of that. Some mmo's are Buy to Play initially, but later purchases do not effect your power and are mostly cosmetic (Guild Wars 1 and 2). A lot of the new F2P conversions are like EverQuest's. You can play everything for...

Old school EQ twinking was cool, so was PL'ing. You had to have put in your time to twink and you had to have friends to PL. Neither was cheap in plat or time. Mudflation and modern mmo mindsets killed all that. I would love to have a harsh game to play again. I mean really, really harsh...

Looking forward to the F2P switch. Been meaning to give this game a go again but just never got around to it. Too many free games around keeping me occupied. Activision stated that they expect to lose a ton more WoW subs in the coming months, mainly because of the competition from F2P mmos...

Lot of stuff to respond to in there. Couple things first. I havent' worked in the industry for ages, and don't know anyone in mmo development. So I could give fuck all what they think. Second, I'm not white knighting the game. Just trying to keep some perspective. WAR wasn't all shit, it...

It did take a nosedive after T1 but there was still a lot of fun to be had at the endgame for certain types gameplay. For example, small group pvp action was very viable, something GW2 failed miserably at.

I was pretty circumspect in my response. You are just in typical hyperbolic mode. You have reverted to your previous personality. I enjoyed your posts much more when you were reasonable. The facts are that even though WAR ultimately failed, many hardcore DAoC guilds stuck with it for a lot...

I agree that T1 was awesome, but when you claimed that it was the ONLY good thing about WAR then you are the one being retarded.

That's your opinion, but you are a pve hero. PvP types found a lot to like in WAR. It didn't last, but in hindsight WAR's RvR pvp was much better than any mmo release since then, with the exception of maybe GW2. Lots of DAoC guilds stuck with WAR for over a year and enjoyed it in spite of it's...

War did a ton of things right. And I really believe if they had had 3 factions instead of two that it would have been a long term success. War had other issues but they were minor imo. Any open world pvp mmo that only has 2 factions is impossible to balance and doomed to failure. War's PvE...

Got your jimmies rustled? I guess you missed the part in the SECOND line where I said I was guilty of it myself. Read the whole thing before responding next time.

No, I get it. You have to hang your hat on something. It's just been amusing to watch you all from the sidelines as you build your hopes up over hype videos. I've been guilty of it myself, we all have. GW2 was my holy grail, and it actually was a good game for the most part. Disappointing in...

I scanned through this thread and did a cursory google search and I don't see any real info other than the cartoony graphics and standard hype videos to judge this game by. I am surprised so many here claim this game is the next coming of Jesus when all you are going on is hope. The herd...

Yep. Why pay for WoW when there are a baziilion clones that offer the same crappy PvE for free. Although, if a mmo was different enough, I wanted to play it and no F2P mmo provided the same experience, then a sub would be fine. EVE is an example, every now and then I sub up for a few months...

While that is true, there are also other reasons games cost much more now. Games are much more complex than they were 10 years ago and that trend is continuing. Art assets take a ton more work than the old simple polygon models and 2d sprites of the past. The power on our desktops can do amazing...

Eliminating the PvE aspect has the potential to save a ton on dev costs. But even with those savings they will need more big investment dollars from somewhere. The paypal campaign is ongoing so they will have more than 5.2 mil from small kickstarter type donations, that won't be enough though...