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Lol aye. I don't have as much practice at being a moron as you do..... sorry, couldn't resist.

The over tuned raids wore me down as well. I didn't mind them cloning WoW's other features too much. But I never liked WoW's style of raiding. Don't really like the instanced dungeon thing either but they were fairly easy and fast. With a good group of friends they weren't too bad. Liked...

Lol. Yeah condescending behavior makes you seem soooo cool. My turn because everyone does it.. It's ok Draegan, I don't think any less of you because you can't rise above it all. Carry on....

People who have a sense of decency don't use another person's behavior as an excuse. They try to act consistently in every situation. Edit: Nobody is perfect though, and we all act like morons occasionally. But that also isn't an excuse for continuing the behavior.

Ok UT, I give up. The alien dingo ate your baby mmo.

Doesn't matter. He with the most lawyers wins. BetaCake is a small operation. Zenimax has access to an army of lawyers. Standard operating procedure in the business world. Threaten a lawsuit and the little guy folds in fear.

Well so much for UT's super conspiracy PR propaganda theory. Sounds like the PR firms instead used the litigation nuke option on BetaCake and he probably doesn't have the money, will or lawyers to fight it.

Oh of course they do. But that is not proof that BetaCake is a pr firm's underhanded viral propaganda machine. Give me real proof.

Yeah, so you say without proof. I just don't have time for conspiracy theories. In movies they are fun, in real life they are stupid.

He posted this: If you really can't wait for a couple hours, I guess you can post them in the private section... in the forum that anyone can access. I assumed that meant that the info was coming back. I don't have access to the supersecret section, and don't care enough to get access. So...

He seems to be indicating that it will be up again in a few hours. He told people that if they couldn't wait then they could post it to the private section, whatever that is. Of course, the birther/911 truther contingent will use that as evidence that aliens ate their mmo.

Yeah, I get it, this is the internet and people do that all the time so it's ok to lie and just generally be a fucking moron because well like you say.. everyone does it. /rolls eyes. That is the most pathetic excuse for shitty behavior there has ever been. That won't stop people from...

I'm sorry, you're going to have to come up with some proof. Spouting this nonsense and casting aspertions on BetaCake is wrong and frankly despicable if you don't have proof. If you do have concrete proof and not just wild speculation based in fantasy, then I'll support you.

Conspiracies never last long, somebody always talks. BetaCake has been around a while. If it were a paid shill site we would know it by now. But in movieland conspiracies sell like hotcakes.. because they are fun, even if they rarely happen in real life.

Lol, conspiracies are fun. Got any more?

Yeah, it looks fine to me too, for what it is. But it really doesn't show much, very little in fact, which is a concern. When are they going to open up the floodgates and actually give us something meaty to judge I wonder. Because at this point I still haven't seen anything that gives me a...

Lol, sticking it in their eye, FoH style.

You could be right. I admit to not being as ahead of the curve techwise as I once was, getting older and all that. Use to be the one with all the new gadgets, now my nieces and nephews are the trailblazers. Can't imagine how far behind I'll be when my children reach that age.

Of course, not everyone was happy with Trion over the way they handled it, but by and large most were. At least that is my memory of the event. Probably doesn't matter anymore though. I haven't played the game since SWTOR was released. Really enjoying it again, should have gone back earlier.

Producer is a catch all term. It can mean anything from getting funding, hiring people, running things to making coffee and cleaning the bathrooms. Given her experience, I'm sure she is higher up the food chain than coffee girl.

It was pretty successful for quite a while. They probably didn't get the response they were hoping for from the expansion. But this game wasn't a failure by any means, and had very strong sub numbers. The devs are highly respected by the players. And that could easily have been otherwise...

Aye, and don't worry if it times you out. Just don't click the "ok" button, you will still be getting time credit.

Hah, oops about the Relic designers Have to disagree with much of the rest. The gaming industry hasn't changed that much. It is bigger and the project sizes are larger but the basic divisions of labor remain the same. And every project is a team enterprise, even more so now than it was 15...

There does need to be innovation in the mmo space but it will probably come from left field and be hardware driven. Much of game design is based on the limitations of the hardware involved. Mmo's are heavily PC based and PC's themselves have not innovated in years. They get faster with better...

Heh, good point. But I put up Trent Dilfer and his SuperBowl win with the Ravens as a counterpoint. No one will ever compare Dilfer to one of the greats. He was just good enough to not lose games, the rest of the team was responsible for their wins.

Again, I haven't worked in the industry since the late 90s. Everyone I knew well back then was local to San Diego. I probably met some of the people who work at Relic now at some industry things but I don't remember them. I met a lot of people back then I don't keep tabs on.

If he were the only one making the game then it would be an issue. It's a team effort, claiming otherwise is an insult to all the other talent who are also working on the game.

Heh, aye. If the game sucks then I think we all are vindictive assholes. Look at how many of us were burned by SWTOR. There was a pretty huge love fest for that game before it was released.

Lol, so you are saying that STO was a failure all because of one man..... riiiiight. I know that's the line you take in most of your arguments, but it is also the least credible.

What I experienced was very much a team effort. Our successes and failures had more to do with organization than anything else. Good teams produced because they worked well together, had well defined goals and solid management. Which is true in every endeavor.

Only people who are rooting for failure are giggling. Why you want this to fail so much says more about you than TESO.

Doesn't bother me in the least. Mmo's are a team effort. And much like sports teams, it is how the team works together that is important. Individual talent helps, but one person is not the sole cause of success or failure.

Star Trek Online is the only mmo I ever felt ripped off by. And supposedly even it's better now. It is very probable that I will buy TESO, haven't seen any reason not to yet. New mmo releases and leveling up with masses of people around is fun. I'll explore the game and get at least one toon...

Must... resist... temptatio... OOH LOOK! A new shiney! Where is my credit card? == The life of a mmo gamer.

You and Draegan are asking for a solution to a problem the industry doesn't think exists. The vast majority of mmos are hugely profitable, and for the suits that is success. SWTOR is the only recently "released" mmo that was a major disapointment to the stockholders. But apparently even it is...

Oooh.. soo tempting. Had a lot of fun in the first one.

Or actual proof.

I haven't seen anything that states their delivery date is set in stone. Maybe it is, perhaps someone could provide a link? And delivery dates change all the time in the industry. Especially this far out. I'm sure they would rather not change the date, but it can be done. It is also...

Flying mounts would be fine if they were attackable from the ground. Having npc's shooting you down in areas the devs don't want to trivialize and all that. Invisible walls suck.

It's too early to know if their release date is set in stone. In fact, it's way too early to be calling this game the disaster of the century, but I know that won't stop you from railing against TESO with your very unhealthy obsession. Carry on..