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Wrong as usual. I most enjoyed being a non OP monk. If people preferred gmode everyone would be asking to be a hybrid and the ability to solo to cap.

I don't see that happening. Note the "modern" on the Twitter feed. Pantheon is going to be closer to VG than to EQ. Hopefully though, it will have EQ loot, not VG loot (VG was a loot pinata), EQ bosses (far too many VG bosses were snareable pushovers) and a more EQ like (i.e. minimal)...

500 for alpha plus a sub fee is looking better and better

So subscription fee beta?

Massively has news: SOE not involved. Registration is an error. Good

40 or 42 minimum. More is better. But with 40 or 42, raid yokels (such as myself) can join in from time to time with you pros.

I agree about the overuse of reactive and chain skills in VG - it all got a bit much.

You seem to have a serious misunderstanding as to the purpose of, and what is normal for, an Internet discussion board concerned with gaming.

I think this will remain the biggest bone of contention on these boards: VG Combat vs. EQ Combat. You can't do both. I'd play with EQ Combat, but I'd be missing VG Combat.

I don't remember. Did you play VG? Basically a lot of the need for this kind of specing went away with classes build around OT/DT combat such as the Bloodmage or Disciple or VG Paladin or etc. Before I'm attacked by ex VG Warriors - I'll admit that the particular class you're talkinga bout...

True so the best thing Brad & Co. can do with their kickstarter is to lay out the design philosophy with examples of DP/leveling/questing/classes.

Hell no. Exclusivity is key.

Rescues with OT/DT in Vanguard were pretty fun. And VG Paladins were just flat out OP.

No that doesn't really work, and one thing hated about WoW. You just end up with a bunch of hybrids. What you can do is design classes such that they have secondary roles that allow them to do a half assed job in that secondary role and have large (6 man) groups so players don't feel the need...

Well that's a nice little paradox for Brad.

No room for dip at release. Focus. FOCUS! That's a lot of development for what was little used by the majority of the VG crowd. But I certainly hope there's crafting - I actually didn't mind VG's crafting system with the mini-game and doing turn ins on work-orders for swag and I usually hate...

Nice. Willing to spill the beans on whether it'll have OT/DT combat? Or if not, a rough ETA for the Kickstarter (you said Jan last month - first half of Jan? 2nd half of Jan?)

Yes OT/DT combat system made every class more fun also heroic leaps for monks ;-). That is probably top of my list for Pantheon. With respect to quests - I can live with them if: 1. No forced multi-quests. Quest loot always drops of mobs, not only when you have the quest (EQ style quest...

EQ was developed in 3ish years IIRC. Anyone? Bueler? Avoiding the seemless world and massive quest/questhub model reduces development time.

I can live with quests giving XP as long as hubs are avoided.

I'd much rather the rapper Salim be part of the team than the SOE Salim -_- Silius has/had the worst MMO ideas - the KDQ bullshit in VG. Siliusauraus. Etc.

Probably proof that SOE is helping out a little - freaking Salim I suspect SOE's attorneys were helping with the trademark search/registration.

Looks like a couple more people you can add to your Pantheon Team List from the PantheonRotF twitter followers.

Quests are the red-headed stepchild of our genre: you can't get rid of them, in time you'll probably even come to love them, but you really don't want too many. /aside Someone already setup a fansite. Lol.

Noooo. No XP for quests, and quests should be uncommon (not rare, just uncommon). The quest grind to cap is a horrible creeping virus that swallows all joy out of an MMO. Also, quest drops from mobs without needing to be on the quest (EQ style).

Gold is the new Brown. @The Name - Pantheon of the Ancients was one of my favorite leveling zones of Original VG. Then it got gutted by SOE and turned into a grindy blechy high-level zone. So with that as bg I view the name as an un-intentional screw-you to Silius and the SOE team that...

Fair enough but I'm a lot more concerned with whether or not you figured out that Vanguard was a glorious example of the Second System effect (aka scope creep) and you all plan to focus on being more focused instead of big for the sake of being big.

For the record $100 is a lot to me too at this exact point in time due to Christmas presents, car payment and rent, so I understand. I'm actually hoping the kickstarter doesn't start until the 15th or so when I actually have a little money I can blow on it.

There is no way they could handle that amount of people. Remember that optimization is one of the last things that happens with an mmo rollout. Not only couldn't the (likely) single server handle the number of people who would dive into alpha at the 150 level there also wouldn't be a lot for...

I didn't think of it that way, but you're right. Brad can do an either/or - he doesn't have to do one or the other like I was thinking. Example: Reward Level of $1000 for FnFAlpha Access with no monthly fee until live, Uber title, Name reservation for live and a very nice starting item...

They're very small and their resources are tied up with SOE. It's not a plug and play tech. You would think there would be other dynamic mob middleware though.

Not when Fukushima #3 is currently venting radioactive steam and possibly in the midst of either another meltdown or its corium is hitting the groundwater and that goes unreported in the MSM. Enjoy your PBFT.

You're just pissed you can't come up with a better alternative to fully funding EverBrad.

Yeah, too bad about SB. But there has to be some other dynamic content middleware they can leverage. As others have suggested would be a good thing if there were some advances to core game play such as a mix of static and dynamic mobs.

Trolling confirmed.

So you were just trolling. Nice.

Everyone did not dream of a Sony connection. A number of ex Vanguard players won't touch any game associated with SOE because of how they got screwed over by the Sony VG team. People forget that post APW, Vanguard actually came a little ways back from the dead then SOE killed development and...

World of difference between giant co making money grab and small co desperate for funding. The players who want the game will pay if you structure the deal properly thus my suggestion of equivalent reduction of paid-in subscription once game goes live. There are other possibilities such as in...

Yes. It is fucking brilliant because you get what you paid for in reduced subscription fees for the amount you paid in beta once the game goes live. Oh, and you also get a completed game.