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I really wish SOE has nothing to do with this thing. I can't imagine anything good happening - see, for example, Vanguard.

There's also Elite: Dangerous. The SF MMO landscape looks more hopeful than the fantasy landscape. Not a fan of skill based games (Pathfinder) and I'm too old to play a game where I could lose an item to some fifteen year old who has 5x the playtime I do (Black Desert). @Furious Goblinworks...

Not at $50 bucks every five-to-ten years. Which seems to be how often we'll see an EQCloneKickstarter. Edit: Which goes back to my point: it's better to throw some money at Brad's KS even though it'll probably fail then do nothing. Sitting around and spending another ten years complaining...

You can do an MMO on the cheap if you abandon all the modern trappings: bazillion quests (dev time), seemless world (dev time, art assets), flying mounts (dev headaches, animation assets). I can not find it - but I think somewhere it was posted that original EQ cost around 5 million. I'm sure...

If Brad beats the billion to one odds and delivers a decent (not great that would be impossible) MMO, SOE buys it from him for cheap and Smed gets EQ3 without any development costs and associated risk. Where upon SOE will slowly but surely fuck it up.

A valid point but since I've only got his EQ clone project to throw my money/vote at, he gets it by default. With respect to a WoW clone kickstarter, who cares? Won't get my money and has no affect on my life if it thrives or dies.

Yes it is. Simpler version: the question has been raised many times whether there is sufficient money and interest out there to crowd source a Diku based MMO. Brad's kickstarter is an ok (not good) test to see if there is sufficient money and interest. So it is worth contributing even though I...

@Burnesto ProTip. The way it works is that you give people money so they suck your dick, not the other way around. Not sure where you got confused on that. @Erronius Hello Old Chum! I don't think Brad will succeed. The point of throwing money at Brad's project is to show other developers...

I wasn't going to donate to Brad (I hold him responsible for Vanguard's failure and AFAIK he doesn't seem to have learned from his mistakes there) but if his kickstarter is for a true Diku based MMO. No action-rpg bullshit. No cute Asian bullshit (the kiddie races in Final Fantasy). And has...

XP Loss? Bring it on. Losing gold on death? Sure, why not. Alternative way to reduce in-game inflation. Losing a random weapon? No fucking way. That means either: Gear is plentiful so it doesn't matter if you lose a random item (which blows) or Gear is very rare and the developers are...

You're arguing with every point I've made against Obamacare. That's termed "defending it" you total fuckwad. If you're on meth and you're thinking you're making cogent arguments: you're not. You still haven't told me where you're going to magically make all the doctors appear that you need...

Healthcare was better before Obamacare. Currently looks like there will be more uninsured Jan 1, 2014 than before. The only people who benefited from Obamacare were baby boomers not yet eligible for Medicare. Basically Obamacare takes money from poor people (the young) and gives it to...

In this is why it's pointless to argue with you idiots. If you can't realize the difference between providing services for 30 million and 300 million then what's the point? TheBeagle is just as, if not more stupid. The effect of socialized medical care is to de-incentivize people to become...

The majority of you refuse to make simple deductions and too many of you are blindly supporting Obamacare. If this site is still around in 2016 it will be fun to watch the wailing as most of you lose your insurance and start facing the ridiculous deductibles and significantly higher premiums...

The critical difference being that fraud in the government is much more likely to go unmonitored or if caught, unpunished. Obamacare was sold on fraud ("You can keep your health plan/doctor") but no one from Obama on down will get punished for that lie. Feel free to make a list of exactly...

+1 I don't want to get carpal tunnel syndrome from spending 8 hours on a Saturday playing wackamole. Physical effects aside, it's boring staring at your hot button UI all the time.

There's Pleasantville (Major supporting role) which is better than anything you list. Plus most of that list isn't better than the F&F Franchise: The Rock? Really? That's watchable only because Sean Connery is in it, not because of Cage. Walker wasn't the best actor but then again he didn't...

Surprising that NPR is trying to factcheck Obama. Normally the media just reports the Administration's lies as fact.

Bullshit statistic made up by national health care supporters at Harvard and then repeated to sell Obamacare. The actual number is more like 29% of all bankruptcies which is not the number one reason. Here's the study you're citing. As you'll see in Table 2, they basically tried to come up...

You are welcome to go onto the exchange and surf for plans, the majority of plans folks have been able to select have larger deductibles and co-pays than current plans. Or you could read the News. * * * Back to Maths - as has been discussed ad nauseam, Obamacare requires signing up...

A fuckton. Do some research.

Yes. Because without Obamacare the plans, which have been more than sufficient for the vast majority of people for the past 40+ years, would have just kept on keeping on. Obamacare is what imposes ridiculous requirements like maternity care for men and menopausal+ women. Cause and effect...

Liberal tool confirmed.

So you are saying that people aren't going to lose insurance when the employer mandate hits? Is that because you think the millions who have lost reasonably priced insurance under the individual mandate and are unable to pay 5x their previous rate to purchase Obamacare insurance aren't trying...

My bet is it'll be some kinda player build-a-thon like EQN. There's no way Brad gets the money and/or people to actually create it w/o player help.

Most of the people who get dropped will end up with no coverage and yes employers are dropping coverage once the employer mandate hits. They have no choice.

Note the above was with the 2013 Employer mandate so add a year.

From the 2010 Federal Register I would feel bad taking your money Vaclav. These are not the predictions of yours truly: an Obama-disliking, Obamacare hating Libertarian, but the people running Obamacare.

Probably. But it doesn't matter. Most people on employer plans (particularly if your employer is not one of the Fortune 500) will lose it after the elections next year when the employer mandate triggers. Most small to medium sized employers can't afford Obamacare compliant plans so they...

Probably but then again Beta/Early Release VG was a trainwreck and still my favorite MMO.

Bill Gates FTW.

I like how you've totally bought into Obama's "blame the insurance companies, not me" bullshit. 1. Of course companies are going to start rentseeking if that's what it takes to make a profit. 2. Under Obamacare companies had no choice but to throw people off their plans if they wanted...

Calling plans substandard doesn't make them so - indeed many ACA plans have higher deductibles, much higher premiums and loads of bullshit like requiring maternity care coverage for men and women long past child bearing age. Basically you guys are trying to force people to buy Escalades when...

Not the Dems who are going to lose their seats in 2014. It's a pretty big deal to them. Nor to the 40+ million who will have their insurance cancelled when the employee mandate goes into effec - and now you know why the Obama administration illegally suspended the employer mandate for a...

PAX is in Seattle which is a rainy damp shithole. Comicon is in San Diego which is full of vapid idiots. So no.

Applies to OP.

Nah. I'm pretty sure that Sigil was out of money and they had two choices: release the game in late Jan 2007 or go hat-in-hand to Smed again and give SOE a bigger slice of Sigil. Brad made the wrong choice.

Good topic. My first love is board games, specifically 18xx, and that's a much older crowd than this board and needs at least four people for a solid game so the Elder Gods/Great Old Ones of 18xx gaming already have plans afoot for just this sort of thing. I'm just trying to convince them to...

More specifically - Vanguard did not load textures properly and did not implement any type of object occlusion/culling/wtf. When you chunked in you had to slowly turn your guy 360 degrees to pick up textures and objects all around. If you didn't it would hang as you walked. It wasn't bad...

So I gather the kickstart is in three weeks? Will be interesting to see the response.