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Well the lemmings all jumped on WAR and all jumped on SWTOR, so their record of being right is about as bad as it can get. It took beta for people to realize WAR had issues and most people didn't figure out SWTOR's problems untill after launch. I'll wait for beta. You can follow the herd.

Lol, lemmings. Didn't your mother every ask you the basic question about jumping off of cliffs?

Not believing the hype is something everyone should do in every game. But people jump on the hope train anyways. Good or bad PR doesn't make a game good or bad. And so far all we have for TESO and WildStar is PR. But that hasn't stopped people from prejudging those games anyways. The best...

UT and Draegan have already decided to hate the game. So they are predisposed to see everything in a negative light. Just ignore them. I saw it the way you did, which is also the way the player explained it. Since he isn't a mmo player generally, but is a big ES fan. The info coming out is...

There is no special skill in claiming a mmo will fail since most do by gamer standards. You get no cookies for that. So until there is an actual playable beta I will continue to withhold judgement.

That is your opinion and of many people on this board. But I have yet to see any proof of that. The biggest negative I have seen is that TESO is more of the same, a quest driven fantasy mmo. Which in and of itself is meh, but that doesn't automatically qualify it as a failure.

Oh, I agree with you on the tuning thing. But the faction PvP element was largely irrelevant very soon after release.

They quickly gave up on faction pvp when all the Guardians left the pvp servers after free transfers became available. There is only one PvP server now and even if they open up new servers due to F2P, there wont be any new PvP servers.

One of the advantages of raiding at a high level in EQ was being able to do the endgame content with smaller numbers.. more loot for everyone. And if we wanted to carry somebody's girlfriend or the the guy who made us laugh, it didn't bother anyone. Of course EQ raids weren't as scripted back...

Denaut's very first post if I recall, destroyed the myth that game engines have as much to do with a mmo's problems as the gaming community constantly spouts. Mmo devs change the engines so much during development that they are very different from the tools they started with. SWTOR's downfall...

F2P doesn't happen for a couple more weeks. Lots of people coming back now though, and new players too with the Rift Raptr deal. Most of the servers are at high during primetime and the Euros are complaining about queue times. Edit: free weekend, may 30th to june 3rd.

Sure, but all that would do is move their dwindling subs from WoW to Titan. And since Blizzard thinks they will continue to lose tons of subs in the coming years because of the plethora of F2P WoW clones out there, it doesn't really make much sense to add another one. Blizzard is in a strange...

Lol, you are probably right. Which means that Titan was just another WoW clone, doomed to ridicule and failure.

WTF are you talking about? GW2 is constantly adding new content every few weeks. There is a ton of it and it is free (assuming you bought the box). Much of it is in the form of temporary events but that still requires a lot of dev time. Especially since many of the temporary events have new...

It's very similar to the GW2 setup. In GW2 you are bound to your server for WvW but for PvE you can play on any server, using guesting. It sounds like they just took it to the next level and eliminated the PvE servers altogether, which is what GW2 should have done. As for PvP meaning nothing...

Different subject. We were discussing the person who operates BetaCake and whether he and his site are just a paid PR service for the gaming companies. Turned out he is legit. Shills who go to that site (or any gaming site) are a different matter, and not one that I ever disagreed with. And...

Lol aye. I don't have as much practice at being a moron as you do..... sorry, couldn't resist.

The over tuned raids wore me down as well. I didn't mind them cloning WoW's other features too much. But I never liked WoW's style of raiding. Don't really like the instanced dungeon thing either but they were fairly easy and fast. With a good group of friends they weren't too bad. Liked...

Lol. Yeah condescending behavior makes you seem soooo cool. My turn because everyone does it.. It's ok Draegan, I don't think any less of you because you can't rise above it all. Carry on....

People who have a sense of decency don't use another person's behavior as an excuse. They try to act consistently in every situation. Edit: Nobody is perfect though, and we all act like morons occasionally. But that also isn't an excuse for continuing the behavior.

Ok UT, I give up. The alien dingo ate your baby mmo.

Doesn't matter. He with the most lawyers wins. BetaCake is a small operation. Zenimax has access to an army of lawyers. Standard operating procedure in the business world. Threaten a lawsuit and the little guy folds in fear.

Well so much for UT's super conspiracy PR propaganda theory. Sounds like the PR firms instead used the litigation nuke option on BetaCake and he probably doesn't have the money, will or lawyers to fight it.

Oh of course they do. But that is not proof that BetaCake is a pr firm's underhanded viral propaganda machine. Give me real proof.

Yeah, so you say without proof. I just don't have time for conspiracy theories. In movies they are fun, in real life they are stupid.

He posted this: If you really can't wait for a couple hours, I guess you can post them in the private section... in the forum that anyone can access. I assumed that meant that the info was coming back. I don't have access to the supersecret section, and don't care enough to get access. So...

He seems to be indicating that it will be up again in a few hours. He told people that if they couldn't wait then they could post it to the private section, whatever that is. Of course, the birther/911 truther contingent will use that as evidence that aliens ate their mmo.

Yeah, I get it, this is the internet and people do that all the time so it's ok to lie and just generally be a fucking moron because well like you say.. everyone does it. /rolls eyes. That is the most pathetic excuse for shitty behavior there has ever been. That won't stop people from...

I'm sorry, you're going to have to come up with some proof. Spouting this nonsense and casting aspertions on BetaCake is wrong and frankly despicable if you don't have proof. If you do have concrete proof and not just wild speculation based in fantasy, then I'll support you.

Conspiracies never last long, somebody always talks. BetaCake has been around a while. If it were a paid shill site we would know it by now. But in movieland conspiracies sell like hotcakes.. because they are fun, even if they rarely happen in real life.

Lol, conspiracies are fun. Got any more?

Yeah, it looks fine to me too, for what it is. But it really doesn't show much, very little in fact, which is a concern. When are they going to open up the floodgates and actually give us something meaty to judge I wonder. Because at this point I still haven't seen anything that gives me a...

Lol, sticking it in their eye, FoH style.

You could be right. I admit to not being as ahead of the curve techwise as I once was, getting older and all that. Use to be the one with all the new gadgets, now my nieces and nephews are the trailblazers. Can't imagine how far behind I'll be when my children reach that age.

Of course, not everyone was happy with Trion over the way they handled it, but by and large most were. At least that is my memory of the event. Probably doesn't matter anymore though. I haven't played the game since SWTOR was released. Really enjoying it again, should have gone back earlier.

Producer is a catch all term. It can mean anything from getting funding, hiring people, running things to making coffee and cleaning the bathrooms. Given her experience, I'm sure she is higher up the food chain than coffee girl.

It was pretty successful for quite a while. They probably didn't get the response they were hoping for from the expansion. But this game wasn't a failure by any means, and had very strong sub numbers. The devs are highly respected by the players. And that could easily have been otherwise...

Aye, and don't worry if it times you out. Just don't click the "ok" button, you will still be getting time credit.

Hah, oops about the Relic designers Have to disagree with much of the rest. The gaming industry hasn't changed that much. It is bigger and the project sizes are larger but the basic divisions of labor remain the same. And every project is a team enterprise, even more so now than it was 15...

There does need to be innovation in the mmo space but it will probably come from left field and be hardware driven. Much of game design is based on the limitations of the hardware involved. Mmo's are heavily PC based and PC's themselves have not innovated in years. They get faster with better...