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The game might be crap on a silver stick and most of us will still buy it (raises hand - guilty as charged). Even crappy mmo's are fun for a short time right after launch, just because they are new and different. Also there are tons of other people to play with at launch, mmos are much more fun...

It depends. Some mmos are Pay to Win, Runes of Magic is a good example of that. Some mmo's are Buy to Play initially, but later purchases do not effect your power and are mostly cosmetic (Guild Wars 1 and 2). A lot of the new F2P conversions are like EverQuest's. You can play everything for...

Old school EQ twinking was cool, so was PL'ing. You had to have put in your time to twink and you had to have friends to PL. Neither was cheap in plat or time. Mudflation and modern mmo mindsets killed all that. I would love to have a harsh game to play again. I mean really, really harsh...

Looking forward to the F2P switch. Been meaning to give this game a go again but just never got around to it. Too many free games around keeping me occupied. Activision stated that they expect to lose a ton more WoW subs in the coming months, mainly because of the competition from F2P mmos...

Lot of stuff to respond to in there. Couple things first. I havent' worked in the industry for ages, and don't know anyone in mmo development. So I could give fuck all what they think. Second, I'm not white knighting the game. Just trying to keep some perspective. WAR wasn't all shit, it...

It did take a nosedive after T1 but there was still a lot of fun to be had at the endgame for certain types gameplay. For example, small group pvp action was very viable, something GW2 failed miserably at.

I was pretty circumspect in my response. You are just in typical hyperbolic mode. You have reverted to your previous personality. I enjoyed your posts much more when you were reasonable. The facts are that even though WAR ultimately failed, many hardcore DAoC guilds stuck with it for a lot...

I agree that T1 was awesome, but when you claimed that it was the ONLY good thing about WAR then you are the one being retarded.

That's your opinion, but you are a pve hero. PvP types found a lot to like in WAR. It didn't last, but in hindsight WAR's RvR pvp was much better than any mmo release since then, with the exception of maybe GW2. Lots of DAoC guilds stuck with WAR for over a year and enjoyed it in spite of it's...

War did a ton of things right. And I really believe if they had had 3 factions instead of two that it would have been a long term success. War had other issues but they were minor imo. Any open world pvp mmo that only has 2 factions is impossible to balance and doomed to failure. War's PvE...

Got your jimmies rustled? I guess you missed the part in the SECOND line where I said I was guilty of it myself. Read the whole thing before responding next time.

No, I get it. You have to hang your hat on something. It's just been amusing to watch you all from the sidelines as you build your hopes up over hype videos. I've been guilty of it myself, we all have. GW2 was my holy grail, and it actually was a good game for the most part. Disappointing in...

I scanned through this thread and did a cursory google search and I don't see any real info other than the cartoony graphics and standard hype videos to judge this game by. I am surprised so many here claim this game is the next coming of Jesus when all you are going on is hope. The herd...

Yep. Why pay for WoW when there are a baziilion clones that offer the same crappy PvE for free. Although, if a mmo was different enough, I wanted to play it and no F2P mmo provided the same experience, then a sub would be fine. EVE is an example, every now and then I sub up for a few months...

While that is true, there are also other reasons games cost much more now. Games are much more complex than they were 10 years ago and that trend is continuing. Art assets take a ton more work than the old simple polygon models and 2d sprites of the past. The power on our desktops can do amazing...

Eliminating the PvE aspect has the potential to save a ton on dev costs. But even with those savings they will need more big investment dollars from somewhere. The paypal campaign is ongoing so they will have more than 5.2 mil from small kickstarter type donations, that won't be enough though...

Played this a couple years ago. Pretty good for what it is, quit when the Pay to Win aspect slapped me in the face.

SWTOR did a pretty good job with story, so it is possible to integrate into a mmo. It was the rest of that game's suckage that killed it.

Heheh, east coast? Just finished lunch here (don't tell my boss about the pint though).

Lol, you're trying to hard bro. And that is why I was laughing at you. If CU doesn't make it, I'll be mildly disappointed, but only for about 10 seconds. Anyways, as I said to Denaut, the back and forth is fun but it will be at least a year before anything tangible like an alpha is available...

Ok, now your trolling me. I already said I don't know him. Wish I did though, or any mmo dev. The only friends I have in the industry are the ones I worked with back then and we don't stay in touch much. A couple work for Sony on sports games, or did last time I talked to them. The others moved...

LOL wait, did you just call me a shill? I haven't worked in the industry for years (late 90's). The pay sucks and the hours are too long. Don't know anyone working on mmo's. And I sure as hell don't know anyone involved with CU. And all I have done is laugh at you screaming at the "piece of...

Those are very valid points. But you also make my case for me. Especially the team aspect. So it really doesn't make sense to pan the game this early in it's development. Since we won't know until at least alpha if MJ is screwing the pooch or not. Anyways, enough back and forth for me. Alpha...

You claim MJ sucks and yet he has delivered two very important games to the genre. Yes one failed but it still innovated and was a ton of fun for many more months than any other new mmo since. What have you done to back up your words? Build something that matters and maybe I'll listen to your...

It may have changed, but one of the things I saw in my few years in the industry was an incredible amount of wasted effort and idle time. The companies I worked for (large and small) were extremely inefficient at managing workers imo. A lot of artist time was wasted twiddling their fingers while...

That's your opinion and your welcome to it. But MJ has delivered more content that I actually enjoyed than you have. So forgive me if I glaze over your rants. Yes, MJ is far from perfect and neither was DAoC or WAR. But I spent more time in those two games than any other mmo except EQ. And I...

But it sounds more like a hissy fit between two rival cloths designers. Cat fight. Except one isn't participating. I'll wait until there is something concrete to actually review (see the TESO thread). Panning a dev wish list document is silly.

Considering the amount of time you and UT spend trashing a game that just got funded and is years away from release, I'm surprised you even have time to make coffee. And Draegan is disembling, nobody is whiteknighting devs here, and he knows it. We're all just laughing at the ridiculous...

If you are going to put all of WAR's failures on MJ then DAoC was great because of MJ. Most people realize that more than one person makes mmo's, and not just one person is responsible for it's success or failure. I'm sure you do to. My guess is you have a secret man love fetish for MJ but he...

I agree with UT usually in a general sense, especially about the state of the industry as a whole. Just amazed at the amount of energy he can put into it.

Gonna love watching this thread just for the epic amount of hate UT and Denaut will pour into it. Never really understood the need for people to spend so much energy trashing games they aren't interested in. I personally dislike WoWstar but I just avoid the thread, have better things to do with...

Mark just pumped in 2 mil of his own money and another mil from outside investors. The paypal campaign is going on now, so probably 5.5 to 6 mil total. Not nearly enough for a finished product. Going to be interesting to see what he does with that amount and what it will take to finish it...

A lot of games have been funded on kickstarter with far less than what Mark has shown. The kickstarter / finisher point is valid. The whole truth is that some people either don't trust Mark Jacobs or kickstarter (or maybe they just don't like RvR). Those are valid issues and if people just...

People are against it just because it is Mark Jacobs at the wheel, they rationalized their reasons after the fact. If it were their favorite dev (whoever that is) they would be all in. The actual facts of the kickstarter don't really matter. Of course their isn't much to show for it, like...

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DAoC 2 is pretty much the consensus. Of course the devil is in the details.

Denaut, most people here actually share your concerns. But there just isn't any other horse going in the direction that the RvR PvP crowd wants. So they have to saddle up with the one that is available. If you think you can do better then PLEASE by all means do so. We will back you in a heart...

Funded 100 mil to go

I agree with that. But SWTOR's fall should make us wary of EVERY mmo coming out (most of us are). They had even more going for them than WildStar.

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