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Yep, if you are going to have fuckteenbazzilion bear hide fetch quests in your mmo then some sort of find it guide is necessary. I would rather work on 4 or 5 quest chains max. Have them last multiple levels and make them feel epic. When I open a quest book and see a fuckton list of idiot...

Because you connect them. You have gone out of your way to pan Mark's design when all you are looking at is marketing hype. This is circular. You don't like Mark or the type of game he is trying to create, so have prejudged his game way too early. That is foolish. I'm in wait and see mode...

Work for hire is the bane of most creative types. It sucks but when you sign that contract you sign away your creations. They sold out the minute they signed the bottom line.

You have been consistently panning this game because of the look of the website and your dislike of Mark's marketing style. There is nothing else to go on so you have extrapolated from that.

Yeah, but that is the nature of the biz. If you don't want your IP taken over and abused by someone else then don't sell it.

No, I understand what you were trying to say. My point is that you are biased towards them. I also think that you are focused on surface details that ultimately have very little to do with how good the game will be. A website is just a marketing tool. Trying to extrapolate from that to the...

Yep, GW2 did do a lot of things right. One of the best new mmos to come out in a long time. But there are many things they did that ultimately made it a somewhat forgettable experience. The PvE is too easy for one, I much preferred the first beta when it was a bit more brutal and there was a...

But they are building something totally different and catering to your gaming tastes, not the mass pvp crowd's. So of course you would like that more. Is Camelot Unchained going to succeed? Probably not. But nobody else is even trying to build something that the mass pvp crowd wants. So we...

Well part of the problem with this whole episode is that the people complaining the most (Draegan, Sean, etc) also posted as much or more about EQ as those they are frustrated with. They didn't win their arguments so they went to the censor option when they got tired of responding. It's a lazy...

(S)He looks like the pass around girl in the that pic.

She doesn't need a time out... come on guys. If everyone who is passionate about their viewpoint is thrown out then this will become a very boring place.

Godwin's law needs an addendum.

Don't anger the McWoWtards...

Hard to say when it becomes a derail though. The Elder Scrolls derail seemed to happen when Utnayan made an offhand comment about size of dungeons compared to EQ's. Which was a valid point and he wasn't at fault for the derail that happened. But somehow it morphed into something else. Just an...

Bring back FD!... that is all.

Well I miss FD, there's a game mechanic that could be revisited and I would love it (it doesn't matter that it was unintended, it was very cool). And there are plenty of others. But I agree, this should be taken to the EQ thread.

Well those aren't the only mechanics in the game though. There are lots of good things about EQ that aren't done in modern games. And there many things like what you mentioned that most of us don't want to see again. It's not an all or nothing proposition. You guys are being unreasonable by...

You guys are trolling Laura. You know what she means and she's right about the difference between lore and story. When I played EQ I didn't care about the lore and never once felt I had to follow some predetermined quest line path where I was funneled down rails like a single player game...

Lol, I would if it were true. But I think your love of all things WoW is the real issue here.

You are a moron. I have consistently said throughout the history of this thread that what I am looking for is a mix of new and old. With a particular wish for a return of a sense of danger.

The only truly challenging content I have ever run up against in an mmo is PvP. In PvE the difficult challenges are usually those the players make up. Like being the first to finish an expansion, the first player to solo a named in Western Wastes or some such. And then the challege comes as much...

Draegan McWoWstar.... get a grip it is your myopic viewpoint and lack of reading comprehension that is your problem. I would welcome a game like that the one you are suggesting. It would be great to have more variety in the mmo game space. What I have an issue with is your inability to...

The bolded part is the key to your argument and the problem that endgame rushers always ignore. There are many types of mmo players and most are NOT endgame rushers. Most players never reach max level in any mmo and most players never raid. The like to play alts, explore the content at...

While some of your points are valid, others are way off base. That wouldn't be a problem, but you always seem to forget that not everyone is like you and not everyone is excited about another McWoWstar clone. Variety is the key.

I can't fault them for copying WoW's graphic style, it is very popular and they seem to have done a good job of it. But personally, I have no interest in playing in a saturday morning cartoon so I will not be playing this game. Which is also the main reason I only played WoW for a couple of...

World size also causes issues with those mechanics. When EQ was young the population was concentrated so getting people to bind, rez, corpse summon, etc wasn't as big an issue since there were usually plenty of people who could do that in every zone. But with every expansion the pop spread out...

LFD isn't good or bad, it's just a tool. I've been messing around in EQ again recently, it's been years. Started a new toon because I'm just so lost when I look at my old raid geared main, with a full bank of crap I can't remember the point of. Anyways, was waiting on a named to spawn in the...

That can be said of almost everyone in the gaming biz. It's a creative industry with lots of big egos. Mark is a moneyman, his job is to get funding and so far he seems to be getting that part done. His "design" atm is just hype to get interest. Complaining about it seems kind of nitpicky...

Did Mark piss in your cherios? I can understand being wary of his game, that's par for the course and a pretty safe bet. But your level of vitriol bespeaks of personal animus. Fess up Gomer, what did Mark do to you?

Once the project reaches their funding goal then all money is transferred to the company at the cutoff date. What the company does with the money is up to them. Funding a kickstarter game project is a crapshoot. But you don't have to fund the kickstarter if you want to play the game, it will...

Nothing to refund. Your card is never charged unless the project is fully funded. If, after funding, the project is never finished then you are sol. Your only option is to sue the company but unless outright fraud was committed you would lose that fight. Investing in startups always has a...

I solo'd everything, even the boss. Once you know the mechanics it's pretty easy. It's a lot longer if you solo, but I like to explore and was working on the achievements. Didn't want to deal with a group. Group is fun too though, and easy to pick up at the gate.

5 million isnt' enough imo. But if his kickstarter is wildly successful then that might help him get other investors. This is going to be interesting to watch. 2015 isn't that far away.

They already have 400k and its only been a few hours. It will be interesting to see how much he gets after a month. Need a lot more than 2 mil to make a mmo.

You can bet that money source has dried up. Sean is right about the funding issues. That is why the 2d rpg guys had to use kickstarter. Big investors want big returns and they have a lot of options that can give them that. Niche games don't excite investors with fat wallets.

Well first off, remember it's an investment. All investments have a risk of zero return. Then look a the product and what they promising. If it sounds to good to be true then it usually is. Check to see if the person has a history of some sort that instills confidence or not. For webcomics...

Kickstarter is a great idea and it offers consumers options in the marketplace that would never see the light of day otherwise. But it is also a great platform for scammers. So it is up to the individual to understand the possible risks involved when they invest, which is true in any investment...

It should be obvious to anyone with any business acumen whatsoever why even successful companies use kickstarter. The money from the kickstarter investors has almost no strings attached. It is basically free money. Only a fool would turn that away.

You honestly think anyone will approve the funding amounts that STWOR's burned through? Not gonna happen unless they can promise a profit in the first couple of months after release. STWOR expected unrealistic long term sub numbers and sold that to the investors. That failure killed any chance...

You commented as I was changing the sentence to indicate getting funding. People will try, but getting funded is a different matter.