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Grinding a ladder is a lot different than grinding npcs in an MMO.
A ladder actually requires you to have some semblance of skill & intelligence.
Grinding in MMOs is brainless.
2 years later... the almost sad state of MMOs in the new era
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Grinding a ladder is a lot different than grinding npcs in an MMO.
A ladder actually requires you to have some semblance of skill & intelligence.
Grinding in MMOs is brainless.
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I like brainless though. Games are a past time for me after a long day of using my skill and intelligence at work.
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Sigh. I guess that leaves me with real life. At least time/effort works there still.
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I think you overestimate people. Smurfs, cheaters, boosters, and account buyers. Gaining MMR is just another mindless grind. You go up 3, down 2, up 2, down 3, up 1 LOL
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I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
Yes you can grind the ladder but you're never guaranteed to be rewarded for it.
You are always rewarded for grinding in an MMO.
It's completely different types of grind.
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nu_11
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I concede that one has some randomness to it. No shit.
But I’m not comparing apple and oranges because they’re both grinds. Which is the topic of discussion.
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The topic of discussion:
The topic isn't just "grinding". Life is a grind. Work is a grind. The topic is Daidraco's next sentence really: "The carrot on the stick for an MMO has devolved substantially and is usually just a stepping stone of no importance in order to get to the next stepping stone of no importance."
A ladder doesn't have stepping stones. Increasing your MMR doesn't make the next match easier. Per Jayrebb's point, FPS/MOBAs eliminated the stepping stones and even carrots for the most part. You can still unlock some desirable things by playing, but it's very limited these days.
The topic isn't just "grinding". Life is a grind. Work is a grind. The topic is Daidraco's next sentence really: "The carrot on the stick for an MMO has devolved substantially and is usually just a stepping stone of no importance in order to get to the next stepping stone of no importance."
A ladder doesn't have stepping stones. Increasing your MMR doesn't make the next match easier. Per Jayrebb's point, FPS/MOBAs eliminated the stepping stones and even carrots for the most part. You can still unlock some desirable things by playing, but it's very limited these days.
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I think that at this point we're just never going to get a terribly interesting new MMO. I think the best you can hope for is small, but fairly active MMOs like Albion Online. Maybe if the development tools become simple enough, a small team could put together a nice community MMO. But the age of big MMOs that aren't like WoW are a pipe dream at this point.
It sucks because it's a great genre. But the amount of resources still needed to make one just makes them off putting to developers.
It sucks because it's a great genre. But the amount of resources still needed to make one just makes them off putting to developers.
If Star Citizen can get $500,000,000 then I think a really good Kickstarter for a new MMO could at least get $30,000,000. And I'm not talking Pantheon level of retardation of just having some shit drawn on some napkins, but an actual game where they can at least show off what the world will look like and what they are planning to implement as far as gameplay. Hell, at this point, I've saved so much money from being in quarantine, I'd be willing to throw in $1,000. I thought Ut was going to make us our dream MMO?!
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solid-- not quite as good as Return of Reckoning or Rise of Zek, but its up there.
Nearly 10k and still avging 1k after the game is winding down is a relaunch of great significance.
***mic drop***
I'd say that Star Citizen is a weird ass anomaly that will never happen for another game. The only way I could see a kickstarter like that happening for a fantasy MMO is if the original creators of WoW got together and started a campaign for the money. From what I understand, most of them are retired, working on Overwatch, or still on WoW.
With Pantheon, I don't know. Brad's passing was a big blow. I do still hope they can get something of a "core" game out one day that they can build on. But I guess we'll see.
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