A Song of Ice and Fire (Released Spoilers)

Kreugen

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It doesn't help that the books he took the longest to write were the weakest of the series; dedicated to the aftermath of awesome things instead of moving forward to new awesome things. His original plan was to skip forward a few years - we see now that this was a good idea.
 

Asshat Brando

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WTF is he talking about? Unless he's making the story up as he goes, certainly possible, then the books should basically write themselves. Really can't believe that he's upset people want to read his shit sooner rather than later, probably a million or more writers in this world that nobody could give two shits about when they write anything.
 

Drinsic

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yeah, considering the release schedule of the first three books, I'm not really sure where Gurmm's getting this "I've always been a slow writer" garbage. If book 5 was the fucking hold up as he said it was, then what's the fucking hold up now?
 

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yeah, considering the release schedule of the first three books, I'm not really sure where Gurmm's getting this "I've always been a slow writer" garbage. If book 5 was the fucking hold up as he said it was, then what's the fucking hold up now?
The even more funny thing is he also thinks the show won't catch up to the books. Let's just face it folks he's not thinking clearly. He's has one foot in the grave already and we are going to get screwed because he's going to die before he finishes. He'll prolly die fucking some Brazilian whores.
 

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Not to derail from the latest round of "OMG GRRM WROTE WORDS THAT ARE NOT ASOIAF!", but I'm digging through high rated reddit posts from this year and came across this one from an actual dwarf speaking about his take on Tyrion Lannister. Surprisingly poignant.

(Spoilers All) A dwarf's perspective on Tyrion Lannister. : asoiaf

A few years ago I was out to coffee with my mother. We each brought a book as we usually do, and I was diving into a fantasy novel recommended by a friend. I read for a while, thoroughly engaged until I stopped abruptly. Well Shit A dwarf character. This did not bode well. I'm a dwarf, to be more specific I'm a picky, cantankerous dwarf. I've read dozens of books that tackle disabled characters, most of which were laughably terrible at capturing our experience. Some chose to fetishize the disability, contorting the character into some barely recognizable stereotype. Others de-emphasize the disability to the point that it may as well be hair color, some irrelevant trait of little interest. Neither does justice to the dwarf experience. So, when I discovered Tyrion I proceeded with trepidation, a hesitancy which lasted all of half a chapter. After only a few pages I realized I was reading perhaps the greatest, and most realistic disabled character I've ever read.

Tyrion's experience, his language, his perspective was so shockingly true that I was taken aback. Throughout the book, Tyrion deals with issues intimately familiar to dwarfs. He struggles with self-hate, frustration, humiliation, an intense desire to be loved, prevailing feelings of otherness. Tyrion demonstrates traits so often cultivated by the dwarf experience, wit and self-deprecation, an insatiable desire to fill a space with one's personality. More than anything else, one line of advice in the series speaks to the most frustrating, sometimes heartbreaking aspect of life as a dwarf:

Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. Make it your strength. Then it can never be your weakness. Armor yourself in it, and it will never be used to hurt you.Game of Thrones-Jon (I)

*The truth of it is this: To be a dwarf is to be burdened with certain preconceived cultural conceptions of dwarfism, making it in some ways a continual performance. *This performance is in my experience unavoidable. The dwarf as a source of tragedy or comedy is a very, very old idea. Going back to the origins of modern drama with Commedia Dell Arte, the dwarf has served as a source of either comedic relief or poignant tragedy. The Italian playLes Gobbiin the 1500's utilized a variety of dwarf actors, each serving as absurd caricatures of difference preconceived elements of the dwarf. The tropes are many and enduring.

The dwarf as the sexual deviant, a conniving Imp driven by lusts and a gross desire to possess and destroy the beautiful. The dwarf as a tragic figure, god's cruel jest, a pitiful creature who may find some semblance of revenge in the third act. The comic dwarf, the happy sprite who spreads cheer and lightens dramatic tensions, magical and sexless, perhaps offering some encouragement and inspiration as needed. These shallow dramatic conventions endure, and have seeped into the zeitgeist. In fact, these dramatic conventions are so well established people seem to expect to see them exhibited in real dwarfs, both in RL and in ASOIF. A dwarf can never just buy some socks, no act is neutral. A dwarf must either comically struggle in a mis-sized world, or buy socks as a heartbreaking testament to the unbreakable nature of the human spirit. The first seems more popular in Westeros, the latter the narrative of choice in RL. Dwarfs, disabled people in general are never allowed an act of banality. Everything is either comic, tragic, or an inspiration, we are perpetual actors in narrative not of our making. We are continually cast in these roles, and in modern life we all seem to cope in different ways. (As opposed to what dwarfs did for most of history IE. Get eaten or thrown down a well.)

Some dwarfs ignore these tropes, instead living their lives simply as they would, with little concern to what others expect of them. Others still passionately hate these stereotypes, and try to living in opposition to them. They strive to break preconceived notions, to present a decidedly different idea of what being a dwarf means. Yet another sub-group takes a unique approach, the approach I have endorsed my whole life.

Tyrion knows his lot. He understands what being a dwarf means in his world. He has decided to embody these tropes, to accentuate the very real elements of comedy, tragedy and perversity which are inherent to the disable experience. He has adopted these roles, as protection in a world full to the brim with inhumanity. He becomes what others believe him to be, thus protecting the most vulnerable parts of himself. Tyrion is heart-breakingly lonely, profoundly unsatisfied with life, desperate to be seen as a full person. Yet as a kind of consolation, he has come to find some enjoyment in playing the motley fool, the perverse and lustful Imp, a fearless half-man of infinite wit. I think he even performs for himself, indulging in melodrama within his own internal monologue. (Ask "Where do whores go?" one more goddamned time.)

Now I'm no Tyrion. I'm obviously far less intelligent, if not slightly redeemed by my having a nose. We do share a great deal however. I too have found a kind of peace in embracing the roles others would force on me. If I am to be cast as the jester, then I shall play the role as best I can. There is a kind of refuge in embracing and transforming expectations, filling a role that is larger and older then yourself. Public attention and gawking is just a part of being a dwarf. It is far better than to yell "Look at me!", command a room, and seize control of the moment. I'm intrinsically tragic, intrinsically comic, these are true element my life extended to their greatest extent. I can no more escape these roles then escape my disability. I've tried to explore these expectations, and turn them to my advantage. Learning to play with this narrative, to inhabit all that comes with this role is deeply satisfying. It is appropriation of a sort. That I imagine is a part of the appeal for Tyrion.

There is a form of liberation to be found in performance, even if it is in a role forced upon us. It is better to make people laugh then be laughed at, to attract attention by our words then our form. Agency is an infinitely valuable commodity, an all too rare thing for people with disabilities during any time. It allows for a transformation, a special kind of magic unique to being a dwarf. The world is our audience, paradoxically quick to listen intently to what we have to say, and just as quick to dismiss it.

Every dwarf may be a bastard, but we are all equally the clown, the tragic foil, the monster, and yes the Imp. I feel as if I've inherited a unique role, passed down for centuries. An odd sort of inheritance I'll grant you, but one that can be absurdly fun. So when I saw George R.R Martin's take on the dwarf experience, I immediately placed him as one of the greatest writers of our time, possessing a unique creative empathy so central to this series.

Tyrion as a character has made me better understand being a dwarf, and come to more fully appreciate its unique value as an experience. He has taught me to better appreciate my gifts, and cultivate them. For better or worse, my disability dominates who I am. I am a dwarf. I'll play the role as best as I am able, enjoy every capricious minute, and ride my dog into the sunset.
 

Asshat Brando

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Is there some sort of mega-turbo-super-AIDS I can wish at people?
Are you saying i should get AIDS? If so WTF!!!

GRRM supposedly was hung up for 2 years on getting Danny out of Mereen and then once that was solved he would be able to resume normal writing, he told the producers of the HBO series his basic outline for the ending for gods sake. He should have the basics of where the story goes and it's just fleshing out the details.
 

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People tell him he's about to die all the time, lol.
I'm not sure why. Clearly he's in his prime. Anyways, I've expected for years he'll pull a Robert Jordan. Maybe his health does not match his appearance:


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Are you saying i should get AIDS? If so WTF!!!

GRRM supposedly was hung up for 2 years on getting Danny out of Mereen and then once that was solved he would be able to resume normal writing, he told the producers of the HBO series his basic outline for the ending for gods sake. He should have the basics of where the story goes and it's just fleshing out the details.
The god damn details are the hard and interesting part. Saying 'Jon wargs into Wun Wun and becomes king of the 7 kingdoms' takes 5 minutes. Getting to that point is everything. Are you a literal child?
 

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I think it bothers people because he's apparently only concerned with getting the next book out, and not very much at that. But that's not the last book in the series. There's still one more fucker after that!

It's already been over 2 years since ADwD came out. You'd have to imagine he finished it 2 and a half to three years ago.
 

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At this point I'm hoping he dies so that an author who can type more than 2 words per minute can take over and finish.

And I haven't even been waiting that long compared to some of you! I only got into ASOIAF a couple years ago. I can't imagine what it's been like for people reading since the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised no one has gone full-blown "Misery" on GRRM yet.
 

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I don't think anyone could do worse to GRRM that GRRM does to GRRM with his steady diet of cheeseburgers and fried lemoncakes
 

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ive pretty much given up on got as a book series. He's going to finish the story in TV form, a fact I've simply come to accept.
 

Kreugen

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A Storm of Swords came out shortly after I first read the first two books. So just in time for the five year wait and letdown as nearly every character's story grinds to a halt.

Re-reading the series now is fun. Like seeing all the bits where it hints at Robb's fate - Daenerys outright sees it happen, and Tywin conspiring with Roose Bolton and the Westerlings is almost puzzled out by Tyrion. And it's strange reading the same conversations but with different characters doing the talking, or at different times and places.

I also really notice how much the TV show improved on the non-POV characters. Stannis and Tywin are ridiculously better on the show.
 

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At this point I'm hoping he dies so that an author who can type more than 2 words per minute can take over and finish.

And I haven't even been waiting that long compared to some of you! I only got into ASOIAF a couple years ago. I can't imagine what it's been like for people reading since the beginning. I'm genuinely surprised no one has gone full-blown "Misery" on GRRM yet.
2 WPM at 8 hours a week is still ~100k words after 2 years...so scale it down a bit there.

I do agree that Stannis and Tywin are better characters in the show. Stannis is more...relatable? Tywin is still a douchebag, just a better douchebag.

I still don't see how GRRM is going to finish the Others plot line in a satisfactory way. We haven't even MET the antagonist. Something has to be organizing these frozen zombies. I'm afraid he's going to do something similar to what Erikson did with the Crippled God.