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Slaanesh69 said:
The Magmadrakes give hunting skill ups I think, and food to increase cooking. But it looks like your exp reward is not based on level but on the creature's HPs, or a combination therein, so it is definitely worth it to find a dungeon cycle with some bosses, and with 5 easy access in Twisted Haunt it can't be beat.
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Yup.

The bulk of your EXP is from bosses. And because you can get 5x bosses in quick succession in there (and they're all 45+), it's really hard to beat it from an XP/hr standpoint. Now, obviously you're going to "cap" on the upgrades eventually, but I honestly think it's the best you can do for pure EXP, even at 50. The only exception is probably just almost full clearing (trash, not bosses) Sunken Temple in one pull with Mage AOE cheese.

I'd honestly keeping farming Haunt for your first 20-30VET points and then start the real "end-game" progression from there. You're going to need full leadership and at least 5/10 battle restoration for basically every "end-game" boss anyhow.
 
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finally got to 25 and started doing that ice cave, and I discovered that I could gear my mercs. I am trying not to look at any wiki stuff until I hit 50 just want to figure it out. its really fun and easy to pick up and put down wether im streaming through my handheld or just on the PC
 
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Well I was crawling through the giant city to get to the Northern Wastes just to check it out, and I was doing fine until I hit a Mage Giant and got dropped instantly. Resists clearly important.

Also finally killed Zarothak the Tormentor in Krom Razz and missed the 75% chance to drop Planar Rune for a quest. Feels bad man.

Also, what's with the mobs with the "50% spawn chance" or "75% spawn chance" never showing up. I've read a thread on steam that typically a 75% spawn chance elite can take a dozen or more zone respawns. I think all the chances are out by a decimal point.

Also, is this percent chance to spawn only when the zone is reset, or is it every x minutes, where x is the spawn timer for that mob?

Anyway, trying to get the 75% chance to spawn Orc Messenger in Urord Nog to spawn and so far I am at about 6 resets. Too bad the Fabled elite in there only drops 3 crappy items, I suppose it's fuel for the Primal Essences I need for the crafting molds - taking forever to gather 3,000 for a single craft.

Edit - currently at 21 vet points. I put 6 into constitution until I read Kirun's post above and the rest have gone into Battle Restoration and Leadership which, as he said, are pretty vital.
 
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Also, what's with the mobs with the "50% spawn chance" or "75% spawn chance" never showing up. I've read a thread on steam that typically a 75% spawn chance elite can take a dozen or more zone respawns. I think all the chances are out by a decimal point.
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The way that works is that you can just do the "zone reset" thing and it still has that x% chance to spawn on reset. Or, you can farm the "PHers" in the area it's supposed to spawn in, hoping it pops on respawn.
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Anyway, trying to get the 75% chance to spawn Orc Messenger in Urord Nog to spawn and so far I am at about 6 resets. Too bad the Fabled elite in there only drops 3 crappy items, I suppose it's fuel for the Primal Essences I need for the crafting molds - taking forever to gather 3,000 for a single craft.
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Huh? Fabled Darish drops one of the best rogue daggers for a loooong time, unless you're lucky enough to get the Legendary drop from Pyroth. His chest piece is also really solid too for how easy he is. There's a "mini" Urzak (the world boss) called the Overseer that can spawn at the fireplace who drops some really great gear too, but he's almost as tough as Urzak is. If you play Mage and have dispel though, he's not bad - which is the same for Urzak.
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Edit - currently at 21 vet points. I put 6 into constitution until I read Kirun's post above and the rest have gone into Battle Restoration and Leadership which, as he said, are pretty vital.
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You can reset vet points with an item drop and there's a town in Northern Wastes that has an NPC that takes that item + 10,000 gold. But yeah, BR and Leadership are vital for your first few points. BR you can "wait" on a little bit, but I'd get it to at least 5 right off the bat, followed by Leadership 10/10 (it's a massive upgrade for the mercs and only has about a 30s "downtime").
 
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Kirun said:
The way that works is that you can just do the "zone reset" thing and it still has that x% chance to spawn on reset. Or, you can farm the "PHers" in the area it's supposed to spawn in, hoping it pops on respawn.

Huh? Fabled Darish drops one of the best rogue daggers for a loooong time, unless you're lucky enough to get the Legendary drop from Pyroth. His chest piece is also really solid too for how easy he is. There's a "mini" Urzak (the world boss) called the Overseer that can spawn at the fireplace who drops some really great gear too, but he's almost as tough as Urzak is. If you play Mage and have dispel though, he's not bad - which is the same for Urzak.

You can reset vet points with an item drop and there's a town in Northern Wastes that has an NPC that takes that item + 10,000 gold. But yeah, BR and Leadership are vital for your first few points. BR you can "wait" on a little bit, but I'd get it to at least 5 right off the bat, followed by Leadership 10/10 (it's a massive upgrade for the mercs and only has about a 30s "downtime").
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Surprisingly, having farmed Krom Razz for quite a while all my weapons and armor are better than what Fabled Darish drops so it's all just Primal Essence material. I may have given my ranger the fabled dagger, I can't remember. I got two other better dagger drops either in Krom Razz or from some other elite, not sure.

Yeah I did give it to him, and the chest piece actually lol.

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My warrior is using this for the HPs:

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I like the BR spell mostly for the wizard. Being able to continually clear and not have to wait too long for him to regen mana is amazing. For awhile the cleric started getting mana starved but a chest piece with mana regen between battles helped that a ton.

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And the wizard improved with this:
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And I haven't seen the messenger or the Overseer in the orc dungeon so far. I just assume they will spawn at the same time and wipe me so I can't get the messenger lol.
 
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Anyone play on Steam Deck? Does it suck due to key bindings or is it pretty streamlined?
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I’ve read it’s rough but doable, you have to click some stuff. But in the discord they said it’s something they’re aware of and they’re planning on optimizing for it at some point.
 
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when it comes to controller play only the general combat works. You cant really sell and interact with NPCs or give commands to your mercs unless you map it yourself.

The control scheme seems unfinished though, hopefully they optimize it.
 
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Surprisingly, having farmed Krom Razz for quite a while all my weapons and armor are better than what Fabled Darish drops so it's all just Primal Essence material. I may have given my ranger the fabled dagger, I can't remember. I got two other better dagger drops either in Krom Razz or from some other elite, not sure.

Yeah I did give it to him, and the chest piece actually lol.

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My warrior is using this for the HPs:

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Base damage matters a lot, but not as important if the warrior is just tanking, yeah. Base damage still matters though. Especially on rogue and rangers mercs, because it combines their weapon damage from their off-hands and bows into their damage formula.
 
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This is good fun, really hits the single-player mmo target.

In early-endgame ( vet 30 ), I think I am going to shelve it for a while to let it cook though.

There's a few janky and easily fixable issues ( like not turning on auto-attack with ability, having absolute dogshit tab targeting, ludicrously stupid cd on spec swap etc ) but the biggest issue for me at the moment is pacing.

This is just from a warrior tank perspective - other classes may be different, but I am too lazy to level/gear one up.

It's both too slow and too fast. Serious boss fights are all 10+ minutes, which isn't inherently bad, but of a 12 minute fight, the first 10 minutes are pointless - you might as well be afk with a dipping bird hitting group restoration and leadership, then you have 1:30 where it is twice as hard and you need to cycle cooldowns constantly, and then 30 seconds that's almost entirely RNG except for sub 200ms interrupt windows with no signposting.

This seems kind of pants-on-head for me, especially given that single player actions are outrageously unresponsive and laggy. If it's going to take 300ms for a stun to register, you just can't have tiny interrupt windows.

"Just farm until it is trivial" works, but really it's kind of taking the fun out of it.
 
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Well I got the Orc Messenger but, as I thought, I was too undergeared for the Overseer and he over DPS'd me in about 20 seconds.

Off to farm more gear.
 
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I stopped for now. It is at 0.9 it seems, so figure 1.0 might not be too far away? So might as well wait for that. Will absolutely go back to it at that point though.

If I do, I might start a completely new run. What's the best class to be the player class? If the meta is 1 tank, 2 heal, 2 dps, I assume maybe starting cleric is the best? If the merc abilities aren't as good, and perhaps you as a player can heal better / more efficiently than the ai? As a mage so far all I do is spam fireball, and tank seems to work well in terms of pulling aggro and taking damage.

Kind of like in Erenshor, playing as a class that can mez, I don't think the AI could handle that juggling of breaking camps, when to mez, root, charm.
 
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I stopped for now. It is at 0.9 it seems, so figure 1.0 might not be too far away? So might as well wait for that. Will absolutely go back to it at that point though.

If I do, I might start a completely new run. What's the best class to be the player class? If the meta is 1 tank, 2 heal, 2 dps, I assume maybe starting cleric is the best? If the merc abilities aren't as good, and perhaps you as a player can heal better / more efficiently than the ai? As a mage so far all I do is spam fireball, and tank seems to work well in terms of pulling aggro and taking damage.

Kind of like in Erenshor, playing as a class that can mez, I don't think the AI could handle that juggling of breaking camps, when to mez, root, charm.
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I still am not quite to 50 yet so I haven't encountered veteran level gameplay, but it almost seems like this game could be an auto-battler, to be honest. Every merc does a decent job of filling their role, while none of them are amazing or as good as a real player. A cleric heals great, but probably too much if you're worrying about mana for a long fight. A druid keeps buffs up and nukes and heals (I guess? no idea what druids do), but mine quickly runs oom if the fight is long. Warrior does a good job of tanking and drawing aggro, but does he even use the stun attack? If so, it probably isn't at the right time. I play a ranger and honestly I am not thrilled by it, as all I do is melee and click the special attack buttons when they refresh (trying to time those stuns that hardly ever land in time), and use the buff skills when I need to. I have to assume rogue is the same (don't have one in party yet). Never played a wizard or had one, but seems fairly straightforward as well.

So if I were to start over (not going to happen), what would I choose? I hate healing, so fuck that. Warrior seems a little risky with npc healers, and other than clicking a few buttons periodically it doesn't seem all that thrilling either. Wizard and rogue and ranger all seem similar...which I guess is sort of the main problem with the game. Everything is just a few button presses really, over and over. I'm not shitting on the game since I started this thread and I'm still enjoying it, but I just don't see anything really complex about the game at this point, and I'd be almost as happy if you could just tell your character to hit certain skills every single time it refreshes. Maybe I'd keep my stun arrow unclicked, and maybe for trash mobs I wouldn't cycle my buffs/debuffs, but that could easily all be handled by one "Trash" and one "Boss" button that starts the AI routine.

Long-winded way of saying I don't know that it matters much what we choose. All the "skill" in the game is pretty watered down anyway. And although I've only played Erenshor for a couple of hours, it had more complexity but the merc AI was so good that I could literally AFK and come back later to several new levels. So I'm not sure either one is really better, just different. I like this one because it reminds me of UO, and I like Erenshor because it reminds me of EQ. They just both make it kind of easy, minus boss encounters of course. Which is sort of where those games shone anyway, obviously. No one logged in just dying to kill trash, but we did it anyway if a good loot camp was taken and we still needed xp.

I still want to hit 50 and get some AAs and a new party member, and potentially new areas to open up, loot to farm, etc. So I've got a bit before I get bored I'm sure.
 
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I agree that in it's current form, the stuns are broken. Nothing like hitting stun, having it not interrupt and you get stunned, then the timer starts counting down. Erm, what the actual fuck, it went off but stunned too late......?

I like warrior because it seems like the only form of crowd control is taunt. But, as you say, the healer rotations are not exactly ideal.
 
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It's both too slow and too fast. Serious boss fights are all 10+ minutes, which isn't inherently bad, but of a 12 minute fight, the first 10 minutes are pointless - you might as well be afk with a dipping bird hitting group restoration and leadership, then you have 1:30 where it is twice as hard and you need to cycle cooldowns constantly, and then 30 seconds that's almost entirely RNG except for sub 200ms interrupt windows with no signposting.
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What comp are you using? I also swapped to Warrior after playing Rogue and Ranger and none of my fights are taking that long. Even Cyclops, who has 1M HP.

Did you take Devastating Blow instead of Endurance? You don't need Relentless Guard and Endurance on non-enrage fights really. Just run with 2 specs and swap to 2H + DPS for most things, swapping to Endurance, Relentless Guard, and 1H + Shield for things that have an enrage window. Warrior has far more DPS than people think, especially in the hands of the PC where you can use Vindication, Stun, and Devastating Blow.
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If I do, I might start a completely new run. What's the best class to be the player class? If the meta is 1 tank, 2 heal, 2 dps, I assume maybe starting cleric is the best? If the merc abilities aren't as good, and perhaps you as a player can heal better / more efficiently than the ai? As a mage so far all I do is spam fireball, and tank seems to work well in terms of pulling aggro and taking damage.
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If you want the best "kit", Mage is far and away the best class choice. All the DPS classes (rogue, mage, and ranger) are pretty close in terms of dummy DPS. However, Mages have a FUCKLOAD more utility than both of those classes. The biggest being their mana shield (huge for survivability) and dispel (makes bosses that buff + enrage soooo much easier).

As far as running a healer goes, you can typically solo heal most things if you're the PC. Which allows you to run full DPS mercs and increase your overall DPS by a decent chunk.
 
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