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abstract art in Soviet Russia became obsolete as the revolution took root. Stalin and bunch of commies decided abstract art was bourgeoisie bullshit and commissioned concrete vision of art which the common men can understand. there are numerous examples of soviet abstract art before the Stalin era.
 

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It's the devil's advocate's day for me as I don't care much about abstract painting and I am ready to recognize there is an important social component to the success of some artists BUT, as an exercise of the mind, consider this: Probably all of you enjoy some music that has no lyrics. So you enjoy abstraction. Abstract painting is like music except it uses color and space instead of sound and time. It shares notions of mood, texture, rhythm even...
But to write music, you have to have to be able to play an instrument or sing and understand time structure. What fundamentals must an abstract artist know to create something like this:

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Abstract art always seems like trolling to me... like I am the only one who doesn't "get" it.

Glad I'm not alone.
It is incredibly insular. its like this giant baseball card scheme. Where the idle rich just throw money at shit to ensure exclusivity.


the REAL art of the 21st century (and 20th), is in advertising, illustration, and architecture.
 

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But to write music, you have to have to be able to play an instrument or sing and understand time structure. What fundamentals must an abstract artist know to create something like this: [Kandinsky's Composition IV]
There are several problems with your statement. First, it is based on the idea the quality of an artwork is proportional to the difficulty of its craftsmanship. This notion died almost a century ago. But even if you think this notion should not have died, you picked a bad comparison and a bad example. A bad comparison because (almost) anyone can sing, say, 'Let it be' without being Lennon or McCartney and a bad example because Kandinsky was a pioneer of abstract expressionism, was an academically trained artist and wrote a number of theoretical books and essays on painting.

Composition IV leaves me pretty cold, but it is an interesting and important piece when you put it back in the context of both Kandinsky's evolution and art history.
 

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Don't give a fuck about the meaning or whatever others think, I like to look at this painting, abstract or not.

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But there's some actual structure there. This giant pile of bird droppings sold for a record $140 million in 2006.

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This splash of diarrhea went for $11.7 million in 2004

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Here we see a canvas that someone spooged on before letting their poodle walk through, $20.5 millon in 2012.

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And this is a nice example of spilled ashtrays and a small splash of your mom's period blood, $58,363,750 in 2013.

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Yeah, art.
 

Loser Araysar

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That brings us to another question.

Should art involve a degree of craftsmanship? Or can art be effortless for everyone to create?
 

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I have not checked the documentary (yet), but I hope the author - a Cambridge PhD in Philosophy specialist of aesthetics - had nothing to do with the abstract/description on Vimeo because even with my minor art history knowledge I can see the factual errors in it (most notably discarding the notion ofsublime).
 

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It's the devil's advocate's day for me as I don't care much about abstract painting and I am ready to recognize there is an important social component to the success of some artists BUT, as an exercise of the mind, consider this: Probably all of you enjoy some music that has no lyrics. So you enjoy abstraction. Abstract painting is like music except it uses color and space instead of sound and time. It shares notions of mood, texture, rhythm even...
A better comparison of a music genre to abstract paintings would be something like this:


I get the idea that removing lyrics from a song makes it much more abstract but you really can't group the noisy pieces of shit in this thread with all the great works of music that had no lyrics.


A bunch of ~INTJs sitting in a gaming forum talking shit about abstract art is pretty cliche but I'm with Araysar and Fanaskin, so much modern art is a pile of shit and it's because cameras replaced the artist's historical role.

There's a ton of these prank videos but it's pretty effortless to just insert random shit into a contemporary art gallery and people will believe it belongs.

When an effortless prank is able to supplant your artwork, maybe it's time to rethink what belongs and doesn't belong in a gallery.
 

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But there's some actual structure there. This giant pile of bird droppings sold for a record $140 million in 2006.

fAHf5bw.jpg



This splash of diarrhea went for $11.7 million in 2004

Jackson+Pollock+-+Number+12%252C+1949%252C+1949+.jpeg


Here we see a canvas that someone spooged on before letting their poodle walk through, $20.5 millon in 2012.

8XQUZZd.jpg


And this is a nice example of spilled ashtrays and a small splash of your mom's period blood, $58,363,750 in 2013.

jMFJzPj.gif



Yeah, art.
"Modern abstract art" to me is in the same category as Gucci clothing and other similar retardedly overpriced clothing. Rich people and "intellectuals" trying oh so hard to make themselves stand out and feel elevated amongst everyone else. We all know they are just dumbass suckers though.
 

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Don't give a fuck about the meaning or whatever others think, I like to look at this painting, abstract or not.

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I dont think there is anything wrong with liking it, it just gets down right retarded when such paintings start selling for tens of millions of dollars and start receiving ungodly amounts of praise/admiration.
 

Loser Araysar

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A better comparison of a music genre to abstract paintings would be something like this:


I get the idea that removing lyrics from a song makes it much more abstract but you really can't group the noisy pieces of shit in this thread with all the great works of music that had no lyrics.


A bunch of ~INTJs sitting in a gaming forum talking shit about abstract art is pretty cliche but I'm with Araysar and Fanaskin, so much modern art is a pile of shit and it's because cameras replaced the artist's historical role.

There's a ton of these prank videos but it's pretty effortless to just insert random shit into a contemporary art gallery and people will believe it belongs.


When an effortless prank is able to supplant your artwork, maybe it's time to rethink what belongs and doesn't belong in a gallery.

I'm actually an ENTJ, Tuco.

A higher species, if you will.
 

Loser Araysar

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"Modern abstract art" to me is in the same category as Gucci clothing and other similar retardedly overpriced clothing. Rich people and "intellectuals" trying oh so hard to make themselves stand out and feel elevated amongst everyone else. We all know they are just dumbass suckers though.
I dont know about that. Clothing actually has a practical function and a role. If you're buying Gucci clothing, you're probably getting a fairly good quality item, that likely looks good and keeps you warm. Diarrhea on a wall doesnt even give me that unless I rip the canvas off the wall and set it on fire to keep warm for 15 minutes