Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

BoozeCube · May 7, 2018

Finally saw this and like most here I thought the movie was damn good. Like any movie if you dig deep enough you can nitpick and find plot holes. When you are dealing with something as crazy powerful as the Infinity Gauntlet the sheer amount of things you can do with it is unfathomable.

I recall one comment in the Star Wars threads asking if we were just all cynical people who hated every movie. This thread just reinforces that when a movie is actually entertaining, good, enjoyable people like it. But when a movie is pure ass garbage, plot-holes and fat Asians we will shit on it rightfully.

Also all those who are saying why didn't Thanos just double all resources. My response would be why? in Thanos mind this accomplishes the same task.

P.S. This movie also points out how fucking bad everything in the DC universe has been since The Dark Knight. The Justice League is fucking bad on it's own but when you compare it with this it just makes that turd stink so much more.

Randin · May 7, 2018

Jesus Christ, this movie. The fact alone that they managed to have like twenty fucking superheroes, and managed to give every one of them their moment, would make it worth calling it a great movie. The fact that they did it, and also gave us what might be the most compelling villain that Marvel's had to date (yeah, I think Thanos just might've knocked Loki off his throne; I'll have to think on it a bit), puts this solidly in the running as maybe the best Marvel movie.

So yeah, I liked it.

And it was a nice touch on the Dr Strange thing. Didn't even catch it during the movie; hit me when I was halfway home from the theater. Just enough subtlety to not feel like too blatant foreshadowing.

And I really need more of the adventures of Angel-pirate, Tree, and Rabbit. That shit was great.

EDIT:

And Red-fucking-Skull? There was one thing I was never expecting to see in this movie. I think I may have made an audible sound when he showed up.

Jive Turkey · May 7, 2018

Drakain said:
The Movie didn't explain it as well as the Comics. In the lead up to Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos summons Silver Surfer and they go on a tour of the universe and look at different civilizations. He takes Surfer to Tokyo during the commute and witness the crowding and then look at the production of waste. Then he takes him to a planet of monkey type creatures and talk about how in a few decades, the population with have doubled and there will be clan warfare and death to compete for territory and food. Then he goes into the talk about how Mistress Death tries to keep a balance, and if he can kill half the population of the universe, it'll please her and restore balance. He takes Surfer back to the monkey planet and they are dying because of an Earth toxin that Surfer brought along. Thanos then says something about his way is better than natural death, etc...

So the movie just cut out the middle man and put Death's motivations into Thanos?

Jive Turkey · May 7, 2018

I saw the credit at the end and was like "what the fuck?". A friend pointed it out the second time around

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Zweischneid · May 7, 2018

Jive Turkey said:
So the movie just cut out the middle man and put Death's motivations into Thanos?

Sure, but if Thanos primarily wants to please Lady Death, he'll use the gauntlet's omnipotence to do what Lady Death told him

If Thanos is primarily concerned with birth rates and resources, it seems more prudent to use the gauntlet's omipotence to dynamically increase resource production and adjust birth rates universe-wide, because "killing half" ultimately just delays the problem by a few years/decades/whatever (depending on birth rates of different species). Doubly so if he's so squimish that "natural extinction" is too cruel and inhuman for his tastes.

The method of "killing half" isn't particularly well-chosen for the stated goal and at odds with the stated motivation that the "natural fix" for overpopulation is allegedly too inhuman, without the middle man that fixes the method in place ex machina.

/nerd off

Tauntworth · May 7, 2018

Jive Turkey said:
I saw the credit at the end and was like "what the fuck?". A friend pointed it out the second time around

What am I looking at? Can't tell who's in the background.

Breakdown · May 7, 2018

It’s the blue guy from arrested development.

Random thing in the background but became a big deal because in the credits there is a large call out thanking a studio for allowing them to use a character Fromm that show and it confused a lot of people

Caliane · May 7, 2018

one of the production film crews are huge Arrested Development fans.

They stuck in the bluth ladder truck into Civil war.

And, here in Infinity wars. Tobias auditioning for the Blue man group.
they didnt get David cross for it

Caliane · May 7, 2018

Jive Turkey said:
So the movie just cut out the middle man and put Death's motivations into Thanos?

no. Part of the story is Thanos is a moron, and doesn't understand what Death wants. She refuses to speak to him. And he is desperate for her attention.
Shes Death. She already HAS the deaths of everything in the universe at the proper time. A proper gift for Death, is life, a joke, or a celebration.

Ravishing · May 7, 2018

Caliane said:
one of the production film crews are huge Arrested Development fans.

The directors of Avengers had directed many Arrested Development episodes:
Anthony Russo - IMDb
Joe Russo - IMDb

Khane · May 7, 2018

Zweischneid said:
adjust birth rates universe-wide

Male birth control. I KNEW I was right!

Downhammer · May 7, 2018

Zweischneid said:
Sure, but if Thanos primarily wants to please Lady Death, he'll use the gauntlet's omnipotence to do what Lady Death told him

If Thanos is primarily concerned with birth rates and resources, it seems more prudent to use the gauntlet's omipotence to dynamically increase resource production and adjust birth rates universe-wide, because "killing half" ultimately just delays the problem by a few years/decades/whatever (depending on birth rates of different species). Doubly so if he's so squimish that "natural extinction" is too cruel and inhuman for his tastes.

The method of "killing half" isn't particularly well-chosen for the stated goal and at odds with the stated motivation that the "natural fix" for overpopulation is allegedly too inhuman, without the middle man that fixes the method in place ex machina.

/nerd off

It's not so much that he's trying to solve a resource shortage as shock the universe into managing their populations themselves. By increasing resources or artificially introducing birth control he's not forcing the universe to correct itself as presumably the problem has just been kicked 50 years down the road. When you kill half of everybody you motivate the survivors to control themselves a lot better lest they get another snap.

Khane · May 7, 2018

I'm not sure why we're even nitpicking this. He's a maniac with unwavering resolve that believes he's right and his way is either the only way or the best way. And it's not something that hasn't happened here on earth in real life. Just look at people like Ted Kaczynski. The type of person/being who would use the infinity gems to manage the universe's resources in a reasonable way, any sort of reasonable way, probably wouldn't be hunting for their power in the first place. Plus it would make for a pretty boring story.

"This guy is trying to make my wife infertile! He must be stopped!"

spronk · May 7, 2018

Stargate SG1 had a fantastic episode, season 4 episode 16 "2010" where aliens basically fuck with human reproduction and fertility. It even involved time travel and was split into 2 or 3 episodes I think. Thanos is a rip off from SG1!! (yes i know the comics came first)

Jive Turkey · May 7, 2018

Caliane said:
one of the production film crews are huge Arrested Development fans.

They stuck in the bluth ladder truck into Civil war.

And, here in Infinity wars. Tobias auditioning for the Blue man group.
they didnt get David cross for it

Why wouldn't they just get David Cross? I'm pretty sure they have to pay him for his likeness regardless of whether it's actually him or not

a c i d.f l y · May 7, 2018

Fuck, this movie was so good I didn't give a shit that Thanos' motivations were ultimately contrived and forced logical conclusions.... Brolin and the entire cast performed admirably. I had expectations of this movie, how could you not, and it met them quite handedly.

Marvel likes to have stylized films, Ragnarok being a comedy, Ant Man a heist, Spider-Man a high-school comedy, Black Panther being complete garbage to set the bar so low into the abyss that it made friends with the Last Jedi, while this movie...this fuckin movie. Drama. Just, well fucking done. Even though you know shit is gonna turn out OK ultimately given the planned sequels, it still hurts when you see

Spider-Man say it hurts and he doesn't want to go.

Everyone gets their moment in the sun, except Black Panther with his stupid "get this man a shield" line that probably should not have been in the previews. His amazing suit with the repulsion tech, and him in general was more background fodder action than even Winter Soldier. "Wakanda forever!" More like "Wakanda get my ass kicked"...

Every other character involved played a part the was significant. Captain, Falcon, Scarlet, saving Vision, even if it was ultimately futile.

Ironman, Strange, and Spiderman, God fucking damn, what a trio.

Even the villains all felt actually evil, and had actual consequence. Many "fuck Yea!" scenes when they got their asses kicked.

THOR. Brooooo. And Groot also lifting the new hammer, #emotions. The Guardians had their place, but really felt like an annoyance, appropriately. And a good bit of comedy and haphazard action, but ultimately inconsequential (especially after Starlord fucks it all up).

Thanos as a villain fits fucking perfectly in this scenario. As much as Loki in the first Avengers, or Vulture in Spider-Man. I'd include Winter Soldier in that mix. Josh Brolin nailed it. Curious to see how he plays out as Cable.

Anywho, 10 out of 10 for me. I don't see how this movie could have been composed better.

Seananigans · May 7, 2018

Downhammer said:
It's not so much that he's trying to solve a resource shortage as shock the universe into managing their populations themselves. By increasing resources or artificially introducing birth control he's not forcing the universe to correct itself as presumably the problem has just been kicked 50 years down the road. When you kill half of everybody you motivate the survivors to control themselves a lot better lest they get another snap.

Yup this is basically what I said. The socialism solution (free shit lol!) solves nothing. People have to learn to check themselves.

Aldarion · May 7, 2018

Finally saw it. So good. My only complaint was the eyerollingly bad Wakanda Mary Sue shit... oh, so your entire race is just smarter and better at everything? So random lab techs just come up with ideas even Bruce Banner never thought of?

Fortunately, the Wakandans also got rolled despite their voodoo spears, blankets, and beads, so I didnt mind it for long.

I need to watch this again soon in the theater. Saw it in Imax 3D and it was great. One great scene after another, non stop. This is #1 MCU movie for me now, having edged out Ragnarok.

a c i d.f l y · May 7, 2018

Seananigans said:
Yup this is basically what I said. The socialism solution (free shit lol!) solves nothing. People have to learn to check themselves.

Might as well reduce resources by half, the result is the same, and nothing is learned. His solution solves nothing all the same. It's amazing how little we will survive off of, and yet procreate into oblivion regardless.

Kill half the populace in a manner that they're aware of it, and you leave the entire universe pissed off with the ultimate goal of revenge, not self-inflection and universal balance.... Yeah, good foresight there big guy.

Ome · May 7, 2018

a c i d.f l y said:
Kill half the populace in a manner that they're aware of it, and you leave the entire universe pissed off with the ultimate goal of revenge, not self-inflection and universal balance.... Yeah, good foresight there big guy.

How did that work out for Japan.

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