Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

Tuco_sl said:

I don't get the fixation on lightning......the most baller part of a storm is lightning.

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Lithose_sl said:

Storm is lightning, though--the lightning myths has always been separate, they are elemental in nature. Lightning based powers were Sky gods, Thor, Zues--usually the most bad ass people in their pantheon. Lightning is the mythical equivalent of literal,purepower; even more unadulterated than strength. So, I disagree storm is nature based; she's elemental. And, on that note, controlling the water, or the ocean? That's also pretty elemental, it's one of the primary Pantheon foundations. And that's what I mean by myths, all of these characters are just retypes of old myths; some myths have always been more popular, just because they appeal to a broader audience.

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Semantics... What's the difference between elemental and nature in this context?

You pondered something at the start of the post and answered it at the end. Why fixate on lightning when she controls weather? Lightning is baller. She's Thor with sweet sweet titties.

Tuco_sl said:

I'm just saying, the lightning is just one part of being able to make storms. It's not that she's a goddess of lightning that can also make storms. She's a goddess of storms, some of which come with lightning.

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Yes, but she's known for the bolts, because, as you said, they are the bad ass part of storms. Just like Sky Gods are known for lightning, too, despite having dominion over the sky. It's the more elemental aspect (s) that gets people's attention (So control over lightning, or the air itself ect). Just look at almost any art that has Storm pissed on it; what do you see? Lightning. Lightning bolts everywhere. Even when there is no wind, there is lightning coming out of her eyes, hands, and asshole.

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Anyway, this has gotten derailed a little. I originally brought it up to show that even though "Storms" are "natural"--they would probably fall under "Elemental" myths, notably because of lightning, but also because it's literally control of the elements (Wind, Water).

Phazael_sl said:

Doctor Fate is a Lord of Order and essentially the DC equivalent of a god in the DC universe. Among the many ludicrous things he has done, he turned the entire US congress into newts just to let them know he was irritated at them. There was one old issue of JLA where everyone on earth, except martian manhunter, was infected by a hive mind organism (heroes like Supes included) and Martian Manhunter put on the helmet and solved the invasion in roughly ten minutes. Prior to the whole knife thing they tried in the early 2000s, fate was essentially one of those uber magical beings that only ever came out when they needed a Dr Strange like guy for epic events.

Certain versions of Spectre were certainly more powerful, though. In fact, I think Spectre killed one of the versions of Dr Fate.

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Turning the congress into newts is really pretty low tier. hahaha... Zatanna could do it...
Fate was on the JSA, far lower powered. As a Nabu as a Lord of Order was powered up, as you say.
Being a Lord of order is kindof mid range in terms of cosmic DC. Amethyst is one too.

Supernaturally, a god more or less as you say.. But there ARE gods, who are defiantly stronger then Fate. The greek ones, the New Gods. Above them the Endless. no one is really sure where the christian god sits in, and the Spectre as the Wrath of God. Lucifer as well...
The Guardians are stronger for sure, and are not gods.
The wizard Shazam is probably stronger then Fate.

Green lanterns have the potential to be stronger. As noted Hal recreated the universe... Kyle brought back the dead..
Current WonderWoman IS the God of War. so probably is stronger now too.
Flash's time fuckery, and Speedforce is a higher tier cosmic power.

I would agree that Nabu is elder god teir. But that doesn't mean all THAT much, compared to many others. Dr. Fate, is also weaker then Nabu.

I thought they hinted that Black Widow might be getting her own since Cap 2 did so well.

They did. It'll probably be Phase 3, along with Ant Man and a few others. (like Cap 3)

Tuco_sl said:

I guess I just can't get on board with Storm being known for lightning more than being known for making storms. Maybe that's just a personal bias of mine, but her ability to freeze fools, blow up fools, generate heat etc just make it hard to condense her down to primarily lightning.

I also don't know if I agree with associating her with the elements more than nature. She is way more in tune with the earth, weather and nature than typical elemental controllers. Thor waltzes into the scene and doesn't give a fuck what's going on. He's just going to throw up his hammer and start the lightning party. Where as Storm literally feels nature and weather patterns as is in tune with them Captain Planet style.

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Sorry for the late response, fair enough on your view of Storm, and I agree with you as a comic book reader. However, I was mainly talking about why these characters are viewed by thewideraudiences the way they are (IE the people who will only see them in movies, or maybe on TV). It's like I said with Aquaman, in the comics, he's got super strength and he's nearly invincible, but for everyone else, he's just some guy that talks to fish. Usually broad audiences who don't know the character, just associate them with their primary "call sign" ability, which usually translates into some older myth. So yeah, storm in in tune with nature--but ask a casual viewer, and they will say "oh, she's that lightning chick".

Pretty sure she is known for wind more then lightning.

She has been in pretty much every Xmen video game ever.

Can we correct this thread title? It's "Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice". The absurdity of the film's name is an important discussion point.

Batman vs Superman: Yawn of must miss.

Oh I see what you did there...