Chukzombi
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Tuco
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That's a really good idea for the direction of the show. The audience is led to believe that Jimmy's brother is this great person, good brother and incredible lawyer and that something awful will happen to him to turn Jimmy into Saul. But everything fits much better if Chuck betrays Jimmy and this is a good way to do it.
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The biggest difference for me between Jimmy and Saul is Jimmy at this point still has some sort of a conscience. He wants to fight for the old people because he believes it's the right thing to do, whereas if this was Saul he would be fighting for the old people but only because something is in it for him. During the settlement discussion, it never occurs to Jimmy to ask for some outrageous amount like 20 million (probably more like 1-2 million) but if it was Saul he would of asked for 20 million immediately.
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I don't think Jimmy even "knows" what to do with these figures, he is totally out of his depth here, whereas chuck is right at home. Once chuck hears they got 12 separate facilities he knows how big the company is, he's thinking it's possibly some multi state/RICO case and he has to hurt them now.
Jimmy has only really dealt person to person, against corporations, he has zero footing here, he was doing good playing wiffle ball, now chuck is taking him to the playoffs.
Only at this point, i think there's 2 separate motives here.
At first (and currently) Jimmy wants a payoff and to help out these old ppl that were taken advantage of.
At first chuck wants to help Jimmy with his first Class Action Lawsuit and helping his brother who found a diamond in the rough. Now, he wants the BIG win, he just wants to win.
You can see the change, when they're slowly building up this case and pasting strip cuts together, chuck is guiding jimmy. Now after he spewed out 20M, he's telling Jimmy what to do, big difference.
Tuco
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I think Chuck is enticed by more than just the money or the case. I think he's also motivated by the fact that he's feeling better and has been feeling better since he was tazed. The case just came at an opportune time for him and helped accelerate this process to the point that he realized the whole thing was bullshit he overcame in the last episode (at least that's what I think happened rather than it coming back in force).
Probably the worst thing I can think of Saul having done is capitalize on the airline disaster, and I could see him jumping from that to helping old ladies do their wills if his business dried up. Both the Saul/Jimmy characters are opportunity driven, they just have different opportunities presented to them.
I agree that Jimmy has a consience in the last few episodes, as evidence by him cutting that old lady some slack and generally being selfless in his pursuit of the case. But IMO that's just the same character fluctuating between levels of decency the same way he always has and always does for the rest of the character's life.Vandyn_sl said:
Probably the worst thing I can think of Saul having done is capitalize on the airline disaster, and I could see him jumping from that to helping old ladies do their wills if his business dried up. Both the Saul/Jimmy characters are opportunity driven, they just have different opportunities presented to them.
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I think the first time we see Saul in BB, he's lost every shred of humanity, to the point that Jessie and Walt really want to help out Badger and Saul is like, he's gonna talk, the DEA are going to give him a good deal, you sure you don't want to (shanking motion).
Royal
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That's the same scene that came to my mind when thinking of Saul at his basest (I mentioned it earlier). He asks, "Why don't you just kill Badger?".
BrutulTM
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The scene where he says that he's being held at gunpoint and his life is being threatened. I would call it more desperation than being evil.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=232876796836693
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=232876796836693
Tuco
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That's true, but I don't think Jimmy would've just come up with that off the cuff like Saul did. Jimmy might be complicit with the death of someone like that, but not so easily and not without great heart ache.
Did BB ever go into detail who Saul was talking about in that video?
Also it's great how well Saul conveyed the idea that he's been giving legal advice to criminals while being handcuffed and having a gun pointed to his head many times before.
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You mean like the time Jimmy paid 2 chumps to jump infront of a car to get a client?
Gravel
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This was the first episode where I'm kind of disappointed that this is a spin off show. Since we know who Jimmy becomes, we know that this case isn't a big break. And that's led to us all speculating that someone close to him (Kim or Chuck) ends up screwing him big time. That's really unfortunate, and I wish we didn't know the future.
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It doesn't sound like he was destitute in BB, so you don't really know how this case turns out. Even if this thing came out beautifully and he was lauded as a local hero (again), that doesn't mean he can't turn into saul. Winning this case might well prove to him that it's not worth it to do the right thing when you can work for criminals and make easy money.
Would BB Saul have saved those skater punks from tuco?
Would BB Saul have saved those skater punks from tuco?
Chukzombi
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yeah, saul was an opportunist, but not a psycho. im liking the "chuck betrays jimmy" theory. so chuck pays for the copies on his corporate password, which means the case is being financially backed by HHM(H&M?) , which it looks like will cause some kind of dispute on who the case belongs to.
i dont think chuck is just another scumbag lawyer, if he is, then maybe thats when he is dealing with people outside his family. chuck got jimmy to change his ways from slippin jimmy. chuck bailed out jimmy and was genuinely concerrned about him. his electro phobia didnt change his feelings for his brother. and saul looks up to chuck, he could have screwed people over many times without chuck finding out, but he is doing the right thing because thats what he thinks chuck would do. what happens next with this case is very crucial in how jimmy really sees chuck.
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When I say Chuck is a "scumbag" lawyer I don't mean in the same sense that Saul is/will become. I meant more along the lines of the "all lawyers are scumbags" type of thing. Jimmy will learn the hard way that Chuck really only cares about himself/his-firm/getting-his-money/his-ego or a combination of those things type of deal.
Also I do think Kim is going to factor into the downfall of Jimmy as well but not sure if as a spurned lover or law partner or what not.
Also I do think Kim is going to factor into the downfall of Jimmy as well but not sure if as a spurned lover or law partner or what not.
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Lanx
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just a matter of who?
yea this was when he hired jimmy in n out, the guy goes to jail for a living, so he shaved his head and pretended to be walt, they had to give 50k to saul and 30k to jimmy and 1lb of meth for the sting.
this is also where badger sits in the wrong park bench cuz someone also looked like walt but wasn't jimmy and walt had to drive to the sting van and distract them.