I think the general idea is to try to avoid an arms race between criminals and law enforcement.
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Avoidance by capitulation?
Sounds just like the average European mindset to me.
added: Watching the ITV video earlier something struck me so I went back and took screenshots of it
Someone explain this to me
I mean these guys just ran someone down with a car, jumped out, and cut their heads off in the street. These britbottles are just casually walking past these guys like its no big deal. Hey, you know. This happens all the time.
This is the part that blows my mind, how everyone just took it almost like it wasn't real. Just didn't happen. Let's walk not just by the bloody handed murderer, let's walk directly through his personal space as he rants at a camera about what he just did.
Holy shit.
Sounds just like the average European mindset to me.
added: Watching the ITV video earlier something struck me so I went back and took screenshots of it
Someone explain this to me
I mean these guys just ran someone down with a car, jumped out, and cut their heads off in the street. These britbottles are just casually walking past these guys like its no big deal. Hey, you know. This happens all the time.
This is the part that blows my mind, how everyone just took it almost like it wasn't real. Just didn't happen. Let's walk not just by the bloody handed murderer, let's walk directly through his personal space as he rants at a camera about what he just did.
Holy shit.
@King Rab - the police were armed, hence why the suspects are in hospital with gunshot wounds.
As for the pictures above, the top one I believe show the 3 women that were trying to calm the terrorists down, they were all over the early morning news here this morning.
The bottom 2 pictures? Well it's London 3pm - no fucker stops you from getting to the Tube station before rush hour starts.
As for the pictures above, the top one I believe show the 3 women that were trying to calm the terrorists down, they were all over the early morning news here this morning.
The bottom 2 pictures? Well it's London 3pm - no fucker stops you from getting to the Tube station before rush hour starts.
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Someone sent this to me today in an email. Hyperbole, accurate, or just coincidence? /throws napalm on the bonfire.
Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond. Dr. Hammond's doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977. Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0..6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.
The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond. Dr. Hammond's doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977. Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0..6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.
The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Doesn't the Christian faith also describe paradise on earth as being a time when everyone left is Christian and therefore there is peace and all heathens should be put to death by stone?
Also, the chance we have at the repeal of the AUMF is a decent start. At least we're starting to realize we can't continue this shit indefinitely.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...a-aumf-repeal/
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America is a pretty much believed to be a Christian nation correct?
Ok, lets list some of the things that I love that exist in America's christian society...Hot girls in yoga pants, Shiner Bock, strippers, blueberry kush, drunken St. Patty's Day parades, bacon, rerolled.org, and premarital sex.
None of those things are allowed to exist in any islamic society. Why do you hate hot girls in yoga pants?
Ok, lets list some of the things that I love that exist in America's christian society...Hot girls in yoga pants, Shiner Bock, strippers, blueberry kush, drunken St. Patty's Day parades, bacon, rerolled.org, and premarital sex.
None of those things are allowed to exist in any islamic society. Why do you hate hot girls in yoga pants?
You know that shit exists in spite of the strong wish of our more fanatical political representatives to live under Christian law.
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Don't quote me because I am not Christian, but I *believe* it's more along the lines that when the rapture happens all those that haven't accepted Jesus will burn in hell. However I don't believe it actively condones killing non-Christians. However even if it does, it certainly isn't being actively acted upon by any fundamentalist group I can think of.
Besides obvious lifestyle and theological differences, the big difference I see between say Christianity/Judaism and Islam is that in the case of the former, the population actively works to marginalize radicals. If you are devout Christian and discover your Christian neighbor plans on blowing up "infidels" that talked bad about Jesus, you will report him to the authorities. This doesn't really seem to be the case with Muslims.. Sure they say that they "condemn" each terrorist act, but I get the impression that most just turn a blind eye or secretly sympathize with the radicals.
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So what? The fact that it is allowed to exist, and becomes more tolerated with every passing generation, while it is effectively stomped out in any country living under Sharia law is direct and irrefutable evidence that today, in the 21st century, christian societies are far more progressive, tolerant, and all around better than any islamic society.
If islamic society is so great and misunderstood, then please give me a single example of it working better than what we've got.
Not in the slightest my ignorant friend.
In fact Christianity talks about the ancestors of the Muslim people starting the life long feud and that we will NEVER get along with them.
Show me a nation under Sharia law that operates on equal economic footing and hasn't been constantly meddled with by an outside nation that sought to constantly cripple it.
Show me a nation or NEIGHBORHOOD under Sharia law that doesn't oppress their own people to the point of killing them and raping their own women?
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Give me a fucking break dude. Despite having backed yourself into a corner of defending Islam, there is no way in hell you want America to have more Islam. You really want to go back to prohibition? You want all of our females to walk around in burkas? Of course you don't. Just admit defeat and move along.
That's impossible because Islam had the misfortune to originate in an area with the greatest single strategic resource of the last century (and probably this one too).
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How about Saudi Arabia, one of many Muslim nations that literally *print* money through the simple act of digging a hole, yet still pretty much live in the dark ages when it come any type of social reform.
Most of these "sharia" countries are doubly pathetic, because despite the fact that they have a massive supply of one of the most valuable resources on earth, they still fail at any type of innovation while simultaneously forcing the majority of their population to live in squalor.
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If our goal is to reduce the level of Islamic (and presumably other religious) zealotry we have to rationally address the cause of that zealotry. Forceful interdiction doesn't really work for anything else (drugs, booze, whatever) and I don't think it works here, either.