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Kirun said:
Nope. All my sleep and hibernation power saving settings are off.

The fact that it doesn't happen while actively playing games, browsing the web, etc. is where I'm stumped, because that rules out some of the more obvious things like PSU, CPU, MB, etc. I mean, I can alleviate it by just turning my PC off every night, but it's just a huge WTF.

Tried rolling back the latest Windows Update and I was still able to reproduce it.
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BIOS up to date? Trying clearing CMOS, maybe test it with one stick of RAM to rule out any weird memory issues. Couldn’t hurt to reseat and repaste the CPU if it’s fairly old. Failing that, reformat and reinstall windows.
 
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Do you by chance have extra cables or slots on your power supply that you could try for your GPU? Is the CPU stuff seated well?
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I swapped both my GPU and all my CPU cooling this weekend. New cooler, new paste, reseated the heat sink, etc. Temps under load and idle are slightly better now, but watching HWMonitor, temps were never an issue even before - unless it was happening in a "low power" state.
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BIOS up to date? Trying clearing CMOS, maybe test it with one stick of RAM to rule out any weird memory issues. Couldn’t hurt to reseat and repaste the CPU if it’s fairly old. Failing that, reformat and reinstall windows.
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BIOS was my next try. I updated BIOS last March?, I think. It hasn't been updated crazy recent, but looking at it I'm only out of date by 2 updates.

I'm also going to run a memtest before the BIOS update, just on the off-chance it's happening during idle memory cleanup.

If the BIOS thing doesn't fix it, reformatting was my next go-to.
 
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Mem test in Windows came up clean, but then the computer "locked up" on restart when loading into Windows, while the BIOS logo was still present.

Loaded into Windows on restart, but then it locked up again after about 20 seconds in Windows. Decided "fuck it", booted from USB and attempted to install Windows. Locked up at about 42% into the Windows install, so I restarted and figured I'd try a new harddrive. I was able to fully get Windows installed, but then when it was doing all the "setup" checks, it restarted again.

CPU, temps, etc. are all stable inside BIOS - no lockups, restarts, etc. even after 30 minutes. And under load(gaming) when it was loading into Windows, nothing was restarting, locking up, etc. It seems most likely to me it might be a PSU issue, but then you would think it would've caused issues under load, since it seems to be happening when "loading" Windows and the spike in power.

I'm totally stumped. It could be CPU, RAM, PSU, motherboard even. Either way, as I slowly diagnose and replace each component, I could've just built a whole new fucking PC. I'm pretty much ready to just chuck this thing into the fucking trash and buy a Starforge PC.
 
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This is exactly what happened to me late last year. And the same reason I decided I am never building my own ever again.

It turned out it was my CPU in my case but I replaced almost every component besides the GPU before I was finally able to figure out what the fuck was actually doing it.

Never again.
 
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Let us know what the problem was when you find out, usually it's a bad ram stick so hopefully it's just that...

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This is exactly what happened to me late last year. And the same reason I decided I am never building my own ever again.

It turned out it was my CPU in my case but I replaced almost every component besides the GPU before I was finally able to figure out what the fuck was actually doing it.

Never again.
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Yup. I even bought a new GPU, just on the off-chance it was that and I needed the upgrade anyhow.

Chances are I'm just going to return the GPU and buy a new fucking PC.

gak said:
Let us know what the problem was when you find out, usually it's a bad ram stick so hopefully it's just that...

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I don't have the patience at my age to go component by component, ram stick by ram stick anymore. Not to mention, with how huge coolers, cards, etc. are these days, taking apart my PC ram stick by ram stick is a giant fucking PITA. I pretty much have to remove the CPU cooler every goddamn time I want to get at the RAM. And I have 64GB of RAM, so I have 4 goddamn sticks to test.

I doubt I'll ever diagnose it. I'm probably ordering a Starforge PC tonight and I'll return the GPU to Best Buy this weekend. The only thing stopping me at this point is my OCD in trying to "fix" the issue and leaving it unsolved. I'm like 90% sure it's CPU or PSU, but my luck is I'll replace both of those and it'll end up being the fucking motherboard or something.
 
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You can’t just pull off one of the CPU cooler fans and yank a few sticks out?
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you ever got stabbed w/ one of those stupid fan clips, we have ai technology and still can't einstein a better way of attaching a cpu fan
 
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you ever got stabbed w/ one of those stupid fan clips, we have ai technology and still can't einstein a better way of attaching a cpu fan
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Last weekend. Clip stabbed me and the fins cut me when I pulled an old Noctua.
 
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You can’t just pull off one of the CPU cooler fans and yank a few sticks out?
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I can. My plan was a BIOS update and yanking 2 sticks tonight. If it still does it, I'll go stick by stick.

If that doesn't diagnose it as the RAM, I'm just buying a new PC.
 
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Yup. I even bought a new GPU, just on the off-chance it was that and I needed the upgrade anyhow.

Chances are I'm just going to return the GPU and buy a new fucking PC.


I don't have the patience at my age to go component by component, ram stick by ram stick anymore. Not to mention, with how huge coolers, cards, etc. are these days, taking apart my PC ram stick by ram stick is a giant fucking PITA. I pretty much have to remove the CPU cooler every goddamn time I want to get at the RAM. And I have 64GB of RAM, so I have 4 goddamn sticks to test.

I doubt I'll ever diagnose it. I'm probably ordering a Starforge PC tonight and I'll return the GPU to Best Buy this weekend. The only thing stopping me at this point is my OCD in trying to "fix" the issue and leaving it unsolved. I'm like 90% sure it's CPU or PSU, but my luck is I'll replace both of those and it'll end up being the fucking motherboard or something.
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I recommend a nice mid-sized sledge hammer. It usually fixes most problems, PC or otherwise.
 
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So I was having blue screens of death with a variety of different error messages that all indicated corrupt windows install, bad hardware drivers, memory issues, etc.

I just removed my GPU and one stick of ram (only one in now). I installed a fresh copy of Windows 11 on a new-in-box SSD and ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic and go no issues. I plan on using MemTest86 on a bootable USB drive also.

Anything else I should do to either give my system a clean bill of health before reinstalling the GPU and other RAM stick?
 
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One of my RAM sticks fails very quickly. The other one takes a bit, but failed in two different DIMM slots with similar starting addresses.

Lowest Error Address 0x276240D40 (10082MB)

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Lowest Error Address 0x276382000 (10083MB)


I just ordered another couple sticks of RAM. Amazon.com
 
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One of my RAM sticks fails very quickly. The other one takes a bit, but failed in two different DIMM slots with similar starting addresses.

Lowest Error Address 0x276240D40 (10082MB)

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Lowest Error Address 0x276382000 (10083MB)


I just ordered another couple sticks of RAM. Amazon.com
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Talking almost completely out of my ass, but it does look like its the RAM's fault. Thankfully, RAM isnt god awful expensive anymore. How old is the G. Skill memory you're replacing? Might be able to replace them within the warranty?

That motherboard UI is atrocious, though. Oof
 
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Talking almost completely out of my ass, but it does look like its the RAM's fault. Thankfully, RAM isnt god awful expensive anymore. How old is the G. Skill memory you're replacing? Might be able to replace them within the warranty?

That motherboard UI is atrocious, though. Oof
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Only 7 months old :( I'll be getting new sticks tomorrow, really hoping it's not my cpu or motherboard
 
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Only 7 months old :( I'll be getting new sticks tomorrow, really hoping it's not my cpu or motherboard
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It almost always never is CPU/motherboard. It may be a compatibility issue between board and RAM, though, as the same RAM sticks may work fine in a different board.

If there are only some errors it may help to increase RAM voltage slightly. However not too far, as you may cook your RAM slowly.

If you are comfortable with editing RAM settings manually, you can increase timings slightly step by step, e.g. tCL+2, tRCD and tRP +2 (should be above tCL), tRAS+2/+4 (should be tCL + tRCD plus a buffer) -- probably in that order. tRC should be at least >= tRAS + tRP. Make a screenshot of your settings if you ever flash/reset your BIOS.
 
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It almost always never is CPU/motherboard
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Until that one time it actually is. Just spent a week working on a PC I built for a friend a few years ago. It would run fine after booting cold, but as soon as you told it to restart or boot it warm, it would just hang on a black screen with the GPU error light on the mobo lighting up.

Tested the GPU in my PC, no problems.

Memtest86 his RAM in my PC, no problem.

Windows startup repair bluescreens, so I boot from a linux USB, issue persists.

Put it back in his and stripped it down to minimum parts, issue persists.

Swapped PSU, issue persists

Swapped RAM, issue persists

Swapped CPU, issue persists.

Well, it's the mobo then. Buy a new one, put the whole fucking thing back together. ISSUE PERSISTS.

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Strip it down, keep new mobo, issue persists.

Swap in my GPU, which I hadn't done before, issue persists.

Swap RAM, test with and without XMP, issue persists.

Swap CPU, issue...fixed?

Swap old mobo back in with my CPU to confirm I didn't fuck something up the first time I did that, issue back.

So both the mobo AND the CPU failed on this thing. Gigabyte B550 and a 5600X both shat themselves.
 
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