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What was the vibe like at the event itself?

My initial suspicion is that you came across too strong too early, pinned her as "the one" and she used the sex as an excuse. This theory is validated by you asking multiple people about it and now coming to a board of washed up conservative EQ gamers who all married trad-wives.

But on the other hand, girls are just flakey.
Seemed into it at the time, nothing to give off the lack of chemistry impression, and as to the rest, very likely. I tried to match her enthusiasm overall but maybe, yeah.
It's dumb to think that a first encounter will be mind blowing. How old was the woman because that sounds like someone who isn't very experienced? I don't think that's something you should necessarily expect from every woman, especially since it doesn't seem like she was merely looking for a hookup.

Maybe your dick isn't of sufficient size but you probably would know that.

You also didn't really give much detail about what happened so maybe there's something you did that was just an instant red flag based on her past relationships. Did you veer outside of a normal lane?

Then again, sometimes if you're just not feeling it right away, maybe it's better investing in someone else. Maybe she has a lot of opportunity.
She is 37, and kinda the opposite. Her history is a bit more adventurous than mine so maybe the bar was just higher? Size wise, I'm good, but she is active on a few dating sites, which is how we met, so yeah opportunity is there.
 

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Seemed into it at the time, nothing to give off the lack of chemistry impression, and as to the rest, very likely. I tried to match her enthusiasm overall but maybe, yeah.

She is 37, and kinda the opposite. Her history is a bit more adventurous than mine so maybe the bar was just higher? Size wise, I'm good, but she is active on a few dating sites, which is how we met, so yeah opportunity is there.

Oh, there you go. Women on a bunch of dating sites have like 300 men in their inbox at any given time. They want immediate chemistry and gratification or it's on to the next. Triggering their "approval-seeking" brain is the best way to gin up chemistry. Ask them questions, challenge them to prove themselves. "Want to go to X location? Okay well it's gonna be intense, you sure you can handle it?" kind of stuff.

I dunno, I've never listened to the PUAs and I know they're big on all that. I do know that challenging women so they have to seek your approval seems to be something they all subconsciously want for some reason.

Don't listen to me though, I stopped doing all this shit like 3 years ago because I got too damn busy to go on first dates with all these women who invariably looked 5 years older than their pictures. If I run into someone interesting through work/hobbies then great, no Tinder for me though.
 
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Seemed into it at the time, nothing to give off the lack of chemistry impression, and as to the rest, very likely. I tried to match her enthusiasm overall but maybe, yeah.

She is 37, and kinda the opposite. Her history is a bit more adventurous than mine so maybe the bar was just higher? Size wise, I'm good, but she is active on a few dating sites, which is how we met, so yeah opportunity is there.

How many dates/days were spent together until the first night you spent together? Because it's also possible you waited too long to close

Either way I wouldn't dwell on it too much, just ditch the oneitis
 
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How many dates/days were spent together until the first night you spent together? Because it's also possible you waited too long to close

Either way I wouldn't dwell on it too much, just ditch the oneitis
Met for the first time on a friday, spent five of the next 7 days together, stayed over that next friday, this happened saturday morning. You're right about not dwelling on it, though. You and Rajaah have settled my mind a bit. I'm not the most experienced dude out there, as a former very overweight gamer nerd dating wasn't really something I did a lot of since I was in my 20s until recently after some lifestyle changes. A lot of what you guys have experienced at a younger age Im just now running into, hence the question asked here. Definitely some ribbing coming my way, but I knew there was some good info to be had too.
 
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I was bad with women for many years and I kind of recognize your mental state, you're trying to analyze what you did wrong so you can fix it. Barring any obvious issues like body odor, the mindset to take is to realize that you're just not in the same place as her mentally or sexually and that it's just not a good match. No one is at fault any more than if she has 3 dogs and you hate dogs. Neither position is inherently wrong, they just don't make for a good match. You don't have to start liking dogs so you can stay with her.

Sex seems like a big deal if you've been single a long time but it's really just another part of the puzzle that has to match for there to be any future. Different wants and expectations, they match or they don't. Just keeping meeting different women and as long as you're being honest about who you are you will find one that's a better match for you.
 
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I'm like the worst person in the world for dating advice but trying to figure out the logic behind what a woman does/thinks is an absolute waste of time
 
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The timing of your first time doing it can't have helped your case. Morning sex should be comfortable, cozy, after you've both slept in together. Not pre-dawn alarm, bloodshot eye'd, half asleep. Sounds miserable to me.
 

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Apparently it was for her too.

A lot of what Lambourne said resonated though, our priorities are clearly in different areas. Those late night/early morning runaway trains of thought can be a doozy though when it's all still fresh. I, maybe naively, see sex as part of a larger whole that while important, feels like one of the more malleable parts that will improve in time as you get to know your partner. Even if it might not start off at mindblowing levels, that doesnt mean it cant get there. Other parts of that whole, like a shit personality, communication skills, temper, etc are not really aspects that change much, if a person is a jerk, theyre probably always gonna be a jerk. For this chick to have a one strike policy in that regard tells me she'll accept less in other areas so long as that one is aspect is good enough, which Im not sure makes her a quality choice, for me at least. My inexperience and esteem/confidence issues are definitely on display


We've got a dating thread over yar: Dating
I seem have that threads OP on ignore for some reason so I missed it entirely when creating this one, merge away, and apologies. Regardless though, I do appreciate the replies and feel better after reading them (yeah, even the thimble cock).
 

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she is active on a few dating sites
Imagine its 1994 or so, and you've just met a girl.

Then you find out that she
  • has set up a website to post pics of herself
  • communicates regularly with guys who find her pics on that site
  • has gone on a bunch of "dates" with guys who sent her messages on that site
...

I have a principle. If a behavior seemed crazy or otherwise not healthy before the modern internet made it common, its still just as crazy or otherwise not healthy. Just more common.
 

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Seemed into it at the time, nothing to give off the lack of chemistry impression, and as to the rest, very likely. I tried to match her enthusiasm overall but maybe, yeah.

She is 37, and kinda the opposite. Her history is a bit more adventurous than mine so maybe the bar was just higher? Size wise, I'm good, but she is active on a few dating sites, which is how we met, so yeah opportunity is there.

Did you post on your alt by accident?
 
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I seem have that threads OP on ignore for some reason so I missed it entirely when creating this one, merge away, and apologies. Regardless though, I do appreciate the replies and feel better after reading them (yeah, even the thimble cock).

I've merged the threads, so you're either going to need to bookmark/watch the thread or unignore him if you want to keep track of things.
 
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Imagine its 1994 or so, and you've just met a girl.

Then you find out that she
  • has set up a website to post pics of herself
  • communicates regularly with guys who find her pics on that site
  • has gone on a bunch of "dates" with guys who sent her messages on that site
...

I have a principle. If a behavior seemed crazy or otherwise not healthy before the modern internet made it common, its still just as crazy or otherwise not healthy. Just more common.

Before the internet people were using dating agencies and recording selfie videos onto VHS tape
 

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I'm like the worst person in the world for dating advice but trying to figure out the logic behind what a woman does/thinks is an absolute waste of time
It's all a waste of time. I occasionally read this thread for chuckles and say to myself, 'ain't no way I want to bother with this shit'. Enormous amount of time and effort all for what?
 

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Met for the first time on a friday, spent five of the next 7 days together, stayed over that next friday, this happened saturday morning. You're right about not dwelling on it, though. You and Rajaah have settled my mind a bit. I'm not the most experienced dude out there, as a former very overweight gamer nerd dating wasn't really something I did a lot of since I was in my 20s until recently after some lifestyle changes. A lot of what you guys have experienced at a younger age Im just now running into, hence the question asked here. Definitely some ribbing coming my way, but I knew there was some good info to be had too.

I got a late start too due to homeschooling and just generally not being very confident or attractive until I hit my early 20's and suddenly got really attractive and confident, probably because I worked out all the time. And even then it was like pulling teeth to make things happen with chix.

Anyway I think you (both) waited too long to close, which is whatever, people do what comes naturally. In this case it was too long for that particular person. I bet she wanted to do it on Friday night since it was your week-iversary (women love that sort of thing), nothing happened, then the next morning awkwardness occurred when she tried to rush things. She was probably all horned up from the previous night, not assertive about it, and wondering why nothing happened.

I'm just wildly speculating here. It's good to try and figure out "what you did wrong" to not make repeat mistakes. I've been trying to figure that stuff out for like 18 years now. Sometimes people just flake out though and it is what it is.

It's all a waste of time. I occasionally read this thread for chuckles and say to myself, 'ain't no way I want to bother with this shit'. Enormous amount of time and effort all for what?

From like 2005 to 2019 I was all about chasing tail and had a lot of fun. The last couple years I just can't be fuckin' bothered. Literally the only reason I want a relationship now is because I want a kid so my mom can have the grandkid she's always wanted while she's still around. Cause I know I'll feel like shite if she goes and never got to see her grandkid(s). If anyone asked me 20 or even 10 years ago if I'd be married with kids by now I would have said "100% yes" and now here I am just checked out and doing my own thing.

I guess I have a second reason to want a relationship: Cause I'm still good-looking and at some point I won't be and I'll wish I'd used my prime years better.

So basically both reasons I have for wanting a relationship have to do with not having regrets later on, which is kind of weird.
 

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From like 2005 to 2019 I was all about chasing tail and had a lot of fun. The last couple years I just can't be fuckin' bothered. Literally the only reason I want a relationship now is because I want a kid so my mom can have the grandkid she's always wanted while she's still around. Cause I know I'll feel like shite if she goes and never got to see her grandkid(s). If anyone asked me 20 or even 10 years ago if I'd be married with kids by now I would have said "100% yes" and now here I am just checked out and doing my own thing.

I guess I have a second reason to want a relationship: Cause I'm still good-looking and at some point I won't be and I'll wish I'd used my prime years better.

So basically both reasons I have for wanting a relationship have to do with not having regrets later on, which is kind of weird.
Yeah, for me I really don't give a shit. I never really have, honestly, and have only had a couple women in my life. I used to feel bad thinking I really should try and find a girlfriend... but I finally came to the realization that, despite family/society forcing the expectation of "you have to get married" or "find that special someone", I don't really want someone in my life. I've always been a loner and am completely content. Why introduce misery and suffering?
 
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So, this might be a bit on the embarrassing side to ask, but I cant think of a better place to get honest, probably too honest, viewpoints on it.

So I had been dating a girl briefly, talking and dating for just a couple weeks. Things were moving very quickly from the initial talking to the meet up phase. Once we met for the first time, we were inseparable, spending time together almost daily. Everything seemed to be lined up and going in a positive direction. I stayed over for the first time on a night in which I had been invited to go with her to an event the next day. We ended up having our first, quick, sexual encounter while fumbling around in the dark, half asleep at 4am after the alarm goes off. A couple days later, after growing distant, she breaks things off citing a lack of chemistry. Probing a bit further, turns out she didnt get what she expected from our first tumble and wrote the whole thing off as a result.

It's definitely a kick in the ass to hear that you were so unimpressive that your potential partner would rather just end it than try further, but is there more to it? Is it reasonable to expect every first encounter to be a mindblowing experience? My sister seems to think that if the person is right for you, your first encounter will be great no matter the situation or context. A friend suggests that you dont win a person through sex, there's other issues in play and if she were really into the budding relationship as a whole, she'd have been willing to talk, teach, or guide toward what she liked or wanted.

Without bruising my ego too much further, what is your opinion?
watch porn, lesbian porn and take some pointers from the ladies.
 
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Since it was a 4am just woke up sex I’m going to assume your breath smelled like dog shit and now she is turned off.
 

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A lot of what Lambourne said resonated though, our priorities are clearly in different areas. Those late night/early morning runaway trains of thought can be a doozy though when it's all still fresh. I, maybe naively, see sex as part of a larger whole that while important, feels like one of the more malleable parts that will improve in time as you get to know your partner. Even if it might not start off at mindblowing levels, that doesnt mean it cant get there. Other parts of that whole, like a shit personality, communication skills, temper, etc are not really aspects that change much, if a person is a jerk, theyre probably always gonna be a jerk. For this chick to have a one strike policy in that regard tells me she'll accept less in other areas so long as that one is aspect is good enough, which Im not sure makes her a quality choice, for me at least. My inexperience and esteem/confidence issues are definitely on display
I think the interesting (possibly depressing) aspect would be how prevalent that "one strike policy" is amongst women, specifically when it comes to the first sexual encounter. I had an experience a few years ago that is kinda the inverse of yours but with similar result. I was living in Barcelona at the beginning of my Eurotrip in 2018 and matched with a Finnish girl at 2pm on a random Tuesday, and by 3pm we were at a cafe, and then spent the rest of the day/evening/night together. We had a great time together; the conversation never lulled, we shared similar senses of humor and even broader thoughts on The World (she believed taxation is theft - shoulda dropped down on one knee right then). Cutting oh-so-many details, we end up at her hotel at like 3am, where more conversation and eventually fooling around transpired, but come 4am I had just finished going down on her for a *very* long time, and she suggests we can do something else, mentioning she has a condom. I was three levels of exhausted between being up way past my normal weekday bedtime, the alcohol wearing off, and the aforementioned oral sex, so all I could do was say I want to but I don't think it's gonna happen since I'm so tired.

I felt that would be understandable, but I do believe in retrospect it was not. She was in town for two more days and we went on another date but it was just kinda so so in regards to our chemistry, and she turned her cheek when I went to kiss her, which is obviously the reddest of flags. She was still very communicative in text, and after returning to Finland, was still chatting a lot and even sending videos talking about her day and asking about mine. If we hadn't have had that first night I'd just think this chick was super interested in me and simply playing it slow. As it stood though, it felt like 98% I had been friendzoned. I had had my fill of Barcelona and she suggested I go to Finland, and since I was literally just putzing around Europe with no direction, I agreed. She was a B-level actress / influencer (throw Janni Hussi in your favorite search engine to see who I'm talking about) and as such had hookups for events and concerts she wanted to take me to (one concert was with "the Finnish Eminem," wasn't sure what level of compliment that was), so being in the friendzone wouldn't be so bad. However I did actually like this girl and so I got to spend the interim time trying to figure out how much I should be "MAINTAIN FRAME, PUSSY!!" vs "well maybe I just ask her directly" vs "eh it's over."

She did indeed pick me up from the airport upon my arrival, and while the ride to my Airbnb was fine, the date we had that night was when the Benny Johnson level BOMBSHELL finally dropped and what brings this post full circle. She had brought along a friend and so most of the dinner was kinda random talk about whatever (her friend was a model, so needless to say we weren't solving world hunger). But finally near the end, her friend went to the bathroom and I brought up our first night together and the lack of sex. I had been drinking so I don't remember exactly how I phrased it, but what I do remember vividly was the vicious tone of her response, full of venom, saying something like "oh it's happened before" while glaring daggers at me. What I took from it was that 1) I had indeed slighted her bigly by not dicking her down the first night and 2) she also has baggage from it happening before so her response was elevated, so to speak.

Honestly I think all we can do is chalk it up to "it just wasn't meant to be." You spared us the salacious details but I'm assuming that you and her did actually have sex, and the "quick" was in reference to your endurance bar, shall we say. Thinking of alternatives though, if you had had some presence of mind to think to put a stop to the foolin' around knowing that it was bad timing, you could have easily found yourself in my situation, with a girl who's offended/embarrassed and the result is the same (albeit with a larger wall of text). Or maybe we just gotta become ubermensch gigachads with massive erections where we call the doctor when they last shorter than 4 hours.
 

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So I had been dating a girl briefly, talking and dating for just a couple weeks. Things were moving very quickly from the initial talking to the meet up phase. Once we met for the first time, we were inseparable, spending time together almost daily. Everything seemed to be lined up and going in a positive direction. I stayed over for the first time on a night in which I had been invited to go with her to an event the next day. We ended up having our first, quick, sexual encounter while fumbling around in the dark, half asleep at 4am after the alarm goes off. A couple days later, after growing distant, she breaks things off citing a lack of chemistry. Probing a bit further, turns out she didnt get what she expected from our first tumble and wrote the whole thing off as a result.
Probably was genuinely disappointed from the sexual encounter if she actually said that. Usually when it comes to parting ways people try and let you down lightly with some vague bullshit.

As for why, who knows. Maybe she had unrealistic expectations, maybe her ex was amazing in bed, maybe shes banged 100 dudes. Youll never get to the bottom of it so I wouldnt focus too much on it.

Imagine its 1994 or so, and you've just met a girl.

Then you find out that she
  • has set up a website to post pics of herself
  • communicates regularly with guys who find her pics on that site
  • has gone on a bunch of "dates" with guys who sent her messages on that site
...

I have a principle. If a behavior seemed crazy or otherwise not healthy before the modern internet made it common, its still just as crazy or otherwise not healthy. Just more common.
IMO that is a good general way to look at things, but not every new thing that comes along is inherently bad. Really the only difference between 2023 and 1993 is there are no barriers to every man approaching a single woman. 1993 woman was still talking and flirting and giving her number to every guy who had the confidence to go up and flirt with her.
Yeah, for me I really don't give a shit. I never really have, honestly, and have only had a couple women in my life. I used to feel bad thinking I really should try and find a girlfriend... but I finally came to the realization that, despite family/society forcing the expectation of "you have to get married" or "find that special someone", I don't really want someone in my life. I've always been a loner and am completely content. Why introduce misery and suffering?
Im an introvert and Im perfectly fine living alone. Havent been in a long term relationship in 6 years now and Im not having any issues with it at all.

At the same time I have a super high sex drive(some how still jerking off up to 4-5 times a day some days) so being able to have sex and enjoy that aspect of humanity would be nice. That and the companionship a noncrazy woman brings is also nice. Plus kids would be nice.

Finding a woman whose suitable in 2023, is difficult.

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