Daybreak Sues The Heroes Journey EQ EMU Server Devs

Old Man Potter · 2025-07-03T04:47:42-0400

Gravel said:
You seem upset. Did you just assume they would support the game indefinitely?

How do you suggest they go about attracting new players to a 26 year old game? Honestly, what course of action do they have besides just milking it for more cash? There isn't some new generation out there just waiting for more Everquest. In fact, the original players are probably dying off at this point.

Yeah, I’m upset. I actually care about the soul of this game, not just how much cash it can squeeze out of loyal players.

You bring up EQ being 26 years old like that automatically means it's doomed. But look at World of Warcraft. It came out in 2004, just five years after EverQuest, and it's still going strong today. Blizz didn't sit around complaining that players were too old or that no new generation would show up. They invested, they modernized, and they found ways to bring people back, like WoW classic.

If you claim to be a steward of a beloved world, you don't get to shrug and say "eh, too old" when people expect you to take care of it. Daybreak’s internal "death clock" shows they had no vision for the future. They didn't plan to evolve EQ; they planned to bleed it dry and walk away.

Could EQ have attracted a ton of new players? Maybe not millions, but with real effort like updated graphics, better onboarding, and community-driven content, it could have stayed alive and even pulled in new fans who love retro experiences. Instead, they chose to act like slumlords, ignoring the leaks and blaming the tenants when the building finally falls apart.

So no, the problem isn’t the age of the game. The problem is the greed and lack of courage from the people running it.

moonarchia · 2025-07-03T04:54:13-0400

Old Man Potter said:
If you claim to be a steward of a beloved world, you don't get to shrug and say "eh, too old" when people expect you to take care of it. Daybreak’s internal "death clock" shows they had no vision for the future. They didn't plan to evolve EQ; they planned to bleed it dry and walk away.

When you own something you can do whatever you want to with it. The folks who own EQ have ROI expectations from it. Simple as that. The current owners bought it after it had been in a death spiral for quite a long time. They didn't expect DPG to magically turn it all around. If it stops being profitable they will absolutely dumpster it and THJ or someone else can try to get it for a decent price and then they can make it free to everyone if they want to.

Kithani · 2025-07-03T07:44:07-0400

Old Man Potter said:
Yeah, I’m upset. I actually care about the soul of this game, not just how much cash it can squeeze out of loyal players.

You bring up EQ being 26 years old like that automatically means it's doomed. But look at World of Warcraft. It came out in 2004, just five years after EverQuest, and it's still going strong today. Blizz didn't sit around complaining that players were too old or that no new generation would show up. They invested, they modernized, and they found ways to bring people back, like WoW classic.

If you claim to be a steward of a beloved world, you don't get to shrug and say "eh, too old" when people expect you to take care of it. Daybreak’s internal "death clock" shows they had no vision for the future. They didn't plan to evolve EQ; they planned to bleed it dry and walk away.

Could EQ have attracted a ton of new players? Maybe not millions, but with real effort like updated graphics, better onboarding, and community-driven content, it could have stayed alive and even pulled in new fans who love retro experiences. Instead, they chose to act like slumlords, ignoring the leaks and blaming the tenants when the building finally falls apart.

So no, the problem isn’t the age of the game. The problem is the greed and lack of courage from the people running it.

WoW is probably alive in similar fashion to its peak compared to EQ. EQ peaked at like 500k players while WoW peaked in the multiple millions… of course it would be more “alive” today.

Bro I loved EQ but your posts come off a bit delusional / “it’s still real to me dammit!” There is no problem, it’s a 26 year old game that doesn’t have a big playerbase because it really isn’t well built for casual play and hardcore play is unhealthy for being a functional adult. The entire point of THJ was it made the game casual play friendly

Rezz · 2025-07-03T08:41:00-0400

I mean, they pump out expansions every year. That means that they have at least one dude abusing AI to create content to sell to the ~1k people who play Everquest. There probably isn't much overhead to TLPs anymore because they already existed and have been reused/restarted multiple times. The minor innovations they put in are probably pretty light on implementation costs.

Of course they're bleeding the diehards dry. As they absolutely should.

A very specific subset of people want the product, and the people who produce the product know they can milk them for multiple account fees per person and these people are never going to unsubscribe until the CC cancels when they find the body three months later. They could implement THJ and that 20k number isn't going to show up. Because very few people want to pay for a 26 year old game that aren't already paying for a 26 year old game. And the people that do? Will explore up until they hit SoV/PoP (maybe GoD?) and then stop because that's where the kind of people that want to relive... want to relive to.

Old Man Potter · 2025-07-03T10:12:46-0400

moonarchia said:
When you own something you can do whatever you want to with it. The folks who own EQ have ROI expectations from it. Simple as that. The current owners bought it after it had been in a death spiral for quite a long time. They didn't expect DPG to magically turn it all around. If it stops being profitable they will absolutely dumpster it and THJ or someone else can try to get it for a decent price and then they can make it free to everyone if they want to.

We hear this mantra every day on the official EQ forums from the sycophants and white knights that smell each other's farts.

Old Man Potter · 2025-07-03T10:23:06-0400

Kithani said:
WoW is probably alive in similar fashion to its peak compared to EQ. EQ peaked at like 500k players while WoW peaked in the multiple millions… of course it would be more “alive” today.

Bro I loved EQ but your posts come off a bit delusional / “it’s still real to me dammit!” There is no problem, it’s a 26 year old game that doesn’t have a big playerbase because it really isn’t well built for casual play and hardcore play is unhealthy for being a functional adult. The entire point of THJ was it made the game casual play friendly

I don't have any real hope that Daybreak will do the right thing. They are a bunch of talentless washed-up midwits. They deserve to be called out for their apathy, negligence, and incompetence. Everytime we try on the official forums, our posts get deleted.

We can care about something and still have realistic expectations. We're all here because we care? Right? If we don't care, then what is the point of these forums? At one point some guy named Furor gave a shit about EQ and told Smedley to fuck off and get his act together. These forums would have faded into obscurity if that Emperor's clothes moment never happened.

Kithani · 2025-07-03T10:40:00-0400

Old Man Potter said:
I don't have any real hope that Daybreak will do the right thing. They are a bunch of talentless washed-up midwits. They deserve to be called out for their apathy, negligence, and incompetence. Everytime we try on the official forums, our posts get deleted.

We can care about something and still have realistic expectations. We're all here because we care? Right? If we don't care, then what is the point of these forums? At one point some guy named Furor gave a shit about EQ and told Smedley to fuck off and get his act together. These forums would have faded into obscurity if that Emperor's clothes moment never happened.

Pet peeve/side note but Furor’s famous 14 day post was just an astroturf for WoW after he got hired by Blizzard. In fact 5 days later he posted a long ass advertisement for WoW after “visiting their HQ”

Furor's 14 Days rant & First Look at WoW

Reposted here to be preserved for all eternity. The Plane of Time 2003-05-09 18:50:26 - Furor Planedefiler You have 14 Days. If after that time the Plane is not properly tuned, I am deleting my characters, and cancelling all of my accounts. The rest of my guild will follow suit, as will...

www.firesofheaven.org

Rezz · 2025-07-03T10:48:32-0400

Kithani said:
Pet peeve/side note but Furor’s famous 14 day post was just an astroturf for WoW after he got hired by Blizzard. In fact 5 days later he posted a long ass advertisement for WoW after “visiting their HQ”

Furor's 14 Days rant & First Look at WoW

Reposted here to be preserved for all eternity. The Plane of Time 2003-05-09 18:50:26 - Furor Planedefiler You have 14 Days. If after that time the Plane is not properly tuned, I am deleting my characters, and cancelling all of my accounts. The rest of my guild will follow suit, as will...

www.firesofheaven.org

Yeah didn't he come up with his fanfic shit like right after that? Guy was clearly just reposting whatever he submitted as a "story" to help him get into his new gig.

Mrniceguy · 2025-07-03T10:57:41-0400

moonarchia said:
When you own something you can do whatever you want to with it. The folks who own EQ have ROI expectations from it. Simple as that. The current owners bought it after it had been in a death spiral for quite a long time. They didn't expect DPG to magically turn it all around. If it stops being profitable they will absolutely dumpster it and THJ or someone else can try to get it for a decent price and then they can make it free to everyone if they want to.

Owning IP is a legal fiction, why should you be able to do with whatever you want with it?

moonarchia · 2025-07-03T11:48:53-0400

Old Man Potter said:
We hear this mantra every day on the official EQ forums from the sycophants and white knights that smell each other's farts.

And? The reality of it isn't going to change whether you rant about it or not. DPG is a business at the end of the day. They are beholden to their owners.

moonarchia · 2025-07-03T11:53:06-0400

Mrniceguy said:
Owning IP is a legal fiction, why should you be able to do with whatever you want with it?

Money is a legal fiction. Go ahead and try to live without it. Copyright exists and has rules backed by the power of the government at the end of the day. The copyright owner is the one who gets to say what can and can't be done with their IP. They can allow as much or as little input from fans as they want to.

Punko · 2025-07-03T12:55:03-0400

Janx said:
Even if they were smart enough to buy it, they'd instantly fuck it up as soon as they did.

Its too bad that the (drugged out autists) that make good games find it so hard to connect with companies that can take care of publishing and the financial side.

I mean they connect but get fucked in the deal.

Mrniceguy · 2025-07-03T14:15:14-0400

moonarchia said:
Money is a legal fiction. Go ahead and try to live without it. Copyright exists and has rules backed by the power of the government at the end of the day. The copyright owner is the one who gets to say what can and can't be done with their IP. They can allow as much or as little input from fans as they want to.

So the Government not the IP holder is who actually gets to say what can and can't be done with the IP?

The US government doesn't agree with your stance, as pointed out earlier in the thread a copyright owner doesn't have universal control regarding USE of copyrighted material.

But i was asking you more of a moral/philosophical question.
If i own 1000s of tires should i be able to just burn them in my yard?
Should a copyright holder just be able splice porn into childrens movies?
Do you still not understand why "Who owns it can do whatever they want with it," is a fucking retarded idea.

The real question is where is the line and in this case did THJ cross it.

Sylas · 2025-07-03T14:46:59-0400

wrong, random judge decides the law.

This judge refused to let this be a sealed case which seems favorable, and did not issue an injunction to shut down services, only to prevent rolling out new content and to put all profits into an escrow until the case is heard.

ideally since they claimed loss of profits he will force them to release those numbers during discovery and if EQ is still on the long slow controlled decline they admit they were heading towards, he could say fuck it no loss, no foul

Old Man Potter · 2025-07-04T06:07:25-0400

Old Man Potter · 2025-07-04T06:13:42-0400

moonarchia said:
And? The reality of it isn't going to change whether you rant about it or not. DPG is a business at the end of the day. They are beholden to their owners.

Yes, a business that failed to develop the EverQuest franchise to its full potential because of incompetence and ineptitude. They are so amazing that they have to sue a volunteer dev team of 2 people that created a more successful product than their team of paid, seasoned "experts."

Rezz · 2025-07-04T06:19:10-0400

It's crazy how they managed to fit all the actual current EQ live playerbase into that illustration.

moonarchia · 2025-07-04T08:26:59-0400

Old Man Potter said:
Yes, a business that failed to develop the EverQuest franchise to its full potential because of incompetence and ineptitude. They are so amazing that they have to sue a volunteer dev team of 2 people that created a more successful product than their team of paid, seasoned "experts."

And? Just because you don't like what the EQ devs are shoveling out doesn't change a single thing when it comes to copyright. DPG is still the one who gets to call the shots. They are beholden to ENAD to make as much money as possible. There is a non-zero chance that the THJ folks could fuck with the EQ devs if they went above DPG and made a business case proposal to ENAD. At the end of the day it is about $$$, and the only input anyone gives a fuck about from the players is how much $$$ they can siphon from our wallets.

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