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Mountain Biker · Dec 27, 2020

Fucker said:
Exactly no performance difference.

Haha I should have asked sooner. Why have I seen that it won't run at full capacity without dual channel mode or whatever?

Fucker · Dec 27, 2020

Mountain Biker said:
Haha I should have asked sooner. Why have I seen that it won't run at full capacity without dual channel mode or whatever?

It will run in dual channel if both slots are filled. Well, both paired slots. 1&3 or 2&4. Otherwise, zero performance difference.

Mountain Biker · Dec 27, 2020

Well that makes things a lot simpler. I was under the impression that my PC was underperforming because of the RAM.

So the new game plan is:
-Get a beefy cooler for current CPU and overclock it.
-Get a new video card, whenever I can get my hands on one.
-And buy a 1440p monitor.

I'm just now starting to research options and I appreciate the feedback. By the time I'm ready to buy I should have everything lined up.

Lanx · Dec 27, 2020

Mountain Biker said:
Well that makes things a lot simpler. I was under the impression that my PC was underperforming because of the RAM.

So the new game plan is:
-Get a beefy cooler for current CPU and overclock it.
-Get a new video card, whenever I can get my hands on one.
-And buy a 1440p monitor.

I'm just now starting to research options and I appreciate the feedback. By the time I'm ready to buy I should have everything lined up.

you have to list your case or if you don't know, take a pic and we'll tell you what it is, the drawback of a beefy cooler is fitment.

Mountain Biker · Dec 27, 2020

This is my case, just the newer version. The dimensions should still be the same... And it looks like it won't fit the Noctua D15. It can never be easy can it? Would the Hyper Cooler 212 allow a little bit of overclocking?

Next time I'm just buying the biggest case on the market haha.

Jovec · Dec 28, 2020

Mountain Biker said:
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This is my case, just the newer version. The dimensions should still be the same... And it looks like it won't fit the Noctua D15. It can never be easy can it? Would the Hyper Cooler 212 allow a little bit of overclocking?

Next time I'm just buying the biggest case on the market haha.

Stick with the Hyper 212 or consider buying a new case. That case lists max cooler height at 150mm, with means no NH-D15, U14, or even U12A. AIOs are also limited to 120mm, which probably isn't worth buying either (280/360 is what you want ). A good case is something that you can take from build to build. I kept my last set of cases for over 10 years.

Aazrael · Dec 28, 2020

Well surprise surprise, my 5900x got shipped today. Never thought that would happen.

Lanx · Dec 28, 2020

yea what

Jovec said, since youre intent on upgrading anyway soonish, start with the case, get a more modern case with usb 3.1 and usb c, many modern cases now are also "wider" to accomodate

1. 140mm fan in back

2. vertical gpu mounting (bling bling)

3. extensive cable management

and as a consequence, they allow for even the massive n d15 to fit.

or you can just live ghetto style and buy a noctua d15 and install it w/ the side panel off

Crone · Dec 28, 2020

Had a complete new build pieced together on PCPartPicker with the idea that I'd unload my current computer on Hardware Swap for a few bucks to offset the cost a little. Then I realized that re-using a bunch of my old parts, like my 970 EVO m.2 and my power supply, and my case was saving me more money than I was getting back from it in the new build. Sucks that I'm gonna not go water cooling, or RGB at all, but it saves a ton of money.

OldBuild:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TTMYfP

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($169.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($264.82 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($162.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($149.09 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($916.74 @ Adorama)
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case ($149.09 @ Adorama)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($136.20 @ Amazon)
Total: $2247.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:48 EST-0500

New Build:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FVJXMv

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($95.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($264.82 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($86.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($809.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1556.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:45 EST-0500

Current PC I'm Pillaging:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7nTkHz

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($282.10 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill FORTIS 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL15 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.21 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB FTW3 ELITE GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($132.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA G1+ 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($340.75 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($394.04 @ B&H)
Total: $1265.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:49 EST-0500

Jovec · Dec 28, 2020

For the new build, instead of 3600 C18 RAM try for 3600 CL16. Small but noticeable benefit. I prefer Noctua for air coolers, even if they are not the best, you cannot beat their support. For example if AM5 needs a new bracket, send them your proof of purchase and they will send you the right bracket no charge.

Axiel · Dec 28, 2020

You could probably tune the ram timings from 18 to 16, but that'd be quite a hassle to save ten bucks.

Voyce · Dec 28, 2020

Considering doing a very small budget upgrade.

e.g. I've currently got a 4th Gen Haswell setup, and was thinking of staying in the old Gen

Basically want to run Half Life: Alyx

says my CPU is junk

I have a Vive already, but I'd probably opt for the Index controllers at some point... so I'd like the PC upgrade to be cheap as fuck, like $300 or less

I was thinking of buying a 4790K with an after Market cooler and doubling up on Ram, toss the 4x4=16 and buy 4x8 32 GB DDR3

Although looking at the specs, I wonder that the extra Ram would even be worth while, as opposed to say buying a more expensive used 4790K that was tested overclocked and stable at 4800 (and upgrading the ram means sticking my current Ram into a drawer to collect dust anyway....)

Otherwise to move away from Haswell, I'd need a new board, CPU, and DDR4, I can't see doing that for less than $700, unless you guys have suggestions.

Of course, maybe I can just overclock the 4670K ... hmmm

I guess I answered that myself while I typed this, I completely forgot I had the unlocked I5

Maybe just an after market cooler like:

Lanx · Dec 28, 2020

Crone said:
Had a complete new build pieced together on PCPartPicker with the idea that I'd unload my current computer on Hardware Swap for a few bucks to offset the cost a little. Then I realized that re-using a bunch of my old parts, like my 970 EVO m.2 and my power supply, and my case was saving me more money than I was getting back from it in the new build. Sucks that I'm gonna not go water cooling, or RGB at all, but it saves a ton of money.

OldBuild:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TTMYfP

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($169.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($264.82 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($162.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($149.09 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($916.74 @ Adorama)
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case ($149.09 @ Adorama)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($136.20 @ Amazon)
Total: $2247.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:48 EST-0500

New Build:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FVJXMv

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($95.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($264.82 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($86.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($809.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1556.54
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:45 EST-0500

Current PC I'm Pillaging:
PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7nTkHz

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($282.10 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill FORTIS 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL15 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($69.21 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB FTW3 ELITE GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($132.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA G1+ 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($340.75 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua P14s redux-1500 PWM 78.69 CFM 140 mm Fan ($15.92 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($394.04 @ B&H)
Total: $1265.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-28 12:49 EST-0500

i have the bequiet 4, so far my favorite cooler

i have a ryzen 5 on high oc, and the damn fans don't even spin up

i actually have 2, one was an annoying install b/c the case was not modern (it actually opens from the right side), so it was more difficult installing it w/ mb installed, i had to install it first, then install the mb.

the second one was on a modern nzxt 710 case and that was amazingly easy.

i also love the long ass screw driver they give, ha

Jovec · Dec 28, 2020

Voyce said:
Considering doing a very small budget upgrade.

e.g. I've currently got a 4th Gen Haswell setup, and was thinking of staying in the old Gen

Basically want to run Half Life: Alyx

says my CPU is junk

View attachment 325783

I have a Vive already, but I'd probably opt for the Index controllers at some point... so I'd like the PC upgrade to be cheap as fuck, like $300 or less

I was thinking of buying a 4790K with an after Market cooler and doubling up on Ram, toss the 4x4=16 and buy 4x8 32 GB DDR3

Although looking at the specs, I wonder that the extra Ram would even be worth while, as opposed to say buying a more expensive used 4790K that was tested overclocked and stable at 4800 (and upgrading the ram means sticking my current Ram into a drawer to collect dust anyway....)

Otherwise to move away from Haswell, I'd need a new board, CPU, and DDR4, I can't see doing that for less than $700, unless you guys have suggestions.

Of course, maybe I can just overclock the 4670K ... hmmm

View attachment 325785

I guess I answered that myself while I typed this, I completely forgot I had the unlocked I5

Maybe just an after market cooler like:

Obviously the price of a used 4790k and DDR3 matters, but I wouldn't throw too much money at a 4670k. Case, cooler, GPU, PSU - sure, all things you can take to your next build. You could even add an NVMe drive via PCIe x4 adapter - it means your GPU will run at x8 but that won't matter, and you can use a modified bios if you can find one that will allow your Haswell chipset to boot off of it. This video is a year old but shows where Devil's Canyon CPUs stand against Ryzen 3000 and Intel 9000 series. The 4790k definately held up better than the 4690k did. GPU also matters, as a better GPU will show a bigger difference between CPUs. Your 1070 would benefit from a better CPU, but not as much as it would if you a 2070 or better.

$300 is a tough upgrade, but $450 is doable (before you sell your old stuff). Newegg has had the 3600 for $200 recently. $100 or less for 16GB DDR4. $150 or less for a b550 mobo. You might also be able to find a decent deal on a used Ryzen 3000 CPU as more 5000 series become available.

Lanx · Dec 29, 2020

Voyce said:
Considering doing a very small budget upgrade.

e.g. I've currently got a 4th Gen Haswell setup, and was thinking of staying in the old Gen

Basically want to run Half Life: Alyx

says my CPU is junk

View attachment 325783

I have a Vive already, but I'd probably opt for the Index controllers at some point... so I'd like the PC upgrade to be cheap as fuck, like $300 or less

I was thinking of buying a 4790K with an after Market cooler and doubling up on Ram, toss the 4x4=16 and buy 4x8 32 GB DDR3

Although looking at the specs, I wonder that the extra Ram would even be worth while, as opposed to say buying a more expensive used 4790K that was tested overclocked and stable at 4800 (and upgrading the ram means sticking my current Ram into a drawer to collect dust anyway....)

Otherwise to move away from Haswell, I'd need a new board, CPU, and DDR4, I can't see doing that for less than $700, unless you guys have suggestions.

Of course, maybe I can just overclock the 4670K ... hmmm

View attachment 325785

I guess I answered that myself while I typed this, I completely forgot I had the unlocked I5

Maybe just an after market cooler like:

a basic hyper212 will get you 3.8ghz, maybe. yes upgrading to abeefy deep assin3 or noctua d15 will allow you to reach 4ghz+

you would also need a better tim, so they get hot, so either

noctua nth1 or thermal grizzly kryonaut

Voyce · Dec 29, 2020

Lanx said:
a basic hyper212 will get you 3.8ghz, maybe. yes upgrading to abeefy deep assin3 or noctua d15 will allow you to reach 4ghz+

you would also need a better tim, so they get hot, so either

noctua nth1 or thermal grizzly kryonaut

Yes, a friend is lending me his delidding kit and TIM, I purchased one of these:

ICE CPU Opener Open Cover Delid Die Guard For LGA115X Intel4 6 Serie 7700K 8700K | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for ICE CPU Opener Open Cover Delid Die Guard For LGA115X Intel4 6 Serie 7700K 8700K at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

assuming it is compatible with the heat sink I just bought, I'll run the die naked.

Thoughts on upgrading the Ram, would a game really use 16+ Gbs? Would it actually enhance performance?

Voyce · Dec 29, 2020

Jovec said:
Obviously the price of a used 4790k and DDR3 matters, but I wouldn't throw too much money at a 4670k. Case, cooler, GPU, PSU - sure, all things you can take to your next build. You could even add an NVMe drive via PCIe x4 adapter - it means your GPU will run at x8 but that won't matter, and you can use a modified bios if you can find one that will allow your Haswell chipset to boot off of it. This video is a year old but shows where Devil's Canyon CPUs stand against Ryzen 3000 and Intel 9000 series. The 4790k definately held up better than the 4690k did. GPU also matters, as a better GPU will show a bigger difference between CPUs. Your 1070 would benefit from a better CPU, but not as much as it would if you a 2070 or better.

$300 is a tough upgrade, but $450 is doable (before you sell your old stuff). Newegg has had the 3600 for $200 recently. $100 or less for 16GB DDR4. $150 or less for a b550 mobo. You might also be able to find a decent deal on a used Ryzen 3000 CPU as more 5000 series become available.

3 Step Guide to Overclock Your i7 / i5 Haswell Platform - Overclockers

What if I were to tell you all these super high-speed RAM for Ivy can't be used with Haswell? Think you could use a guide then? We thought so.

www.overclockers.com

I'm running into instability around 4300, so yeah this chip might get me nowhere

Fucker · Dec 29, 2020

Voyce said:
3 Step Guide to Overclock Your i7 / i5 Haswell Platform - Overclockers

What if I were to tell you all these super high-speed RAM for Ivy can't be used with Haswell? Think you could use a guide then? We thought so.

www.overclockers.com

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I'm running into instability around 4300, so yeah this chip might get me nowhere

I'd save up an grab a Ryzen when you have enough to get a mainboard/ram/cpu. There's 0 point to spending money on 47xx cpu's.

Lanx · Dec 29, 2020

Voyce said:
Yes, a friend is lending me his delidding kit and TIM, I purchased one of these:

ICE CPU Opener Open Cover Delid Die Guard For LGA115X Intel4 6 Serie 7700K 8700K | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for ICE CPU Opener Open Cover Delid Die Guard For LGA115X Intel4 6 Serie 7700K 8700K at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

assuming it is compatible with the heat sink I just bought, I'll run the die naked.

Thoughts on upgrading the Ram, would a game really use 16+ Gbs? Would it actually enhance performance?

if you were upgrading to a new system, sure 32gbs why not, it's cheap enough, but youre already running 16gbs, that money could be spent elsewhere, imo if youre intent on upgrading to 32gbs, you might as well just get a more 2020 pc then, but you won't see a performance gain, gaming

Voyce · Dec 29, 2020

yeah, I'm reconsidering.

I could probably drop $300 on Facebook Marketplace for a Coffee Lake setup and achieve virtually the same results and have access to m.2 and DDR4 ....et. al.

I think I'm going to bite the bullet on this instead, the turbo on an i7-8700k is already 4.7 before overclocking, I can still delid it and drop that aftermarket cooler on it and probably get it up to 5, plus I have a bench case so I can do ATX, Micro-ATX, ITX anyway

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