Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

have gold prices increased at all since this announcement?

Tarrant_sl said:

Will you have to reroll totally from scratch to be in it.

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Yes. Ladders are new characters for a set period of time.

New build you want to try gets posted, you don't have the "whatever it is that makes it work". No AH to pick up a cheap version.

->Clear Act V 20 times, get legendaries but not the one you need.
->Miss the days of being able to pick up one for 2-10mil on the AH.

Have you seen the bargain build youtubes that let you farm mp7-8? This exists only because of the inflation of items on the AH and the rising ceiling of "what's valuable".

If they're mad they can't clear mp10 now (or fast enough), I can't imagine their shock when they realize what monster power level they will be farming with their 2-4 hours every 2-4 days. Here's a hint... not 10.

The D3 casuals/socialists know not what they praise. The dedicated will always be fine when it comes to gearing.

what the auction house does is create a garage of "better than you'll ever find yourself" items. that, for the most part, is fine. the problem is that it, like seananigans said, immediately lessens the feel of ANY item you will ever find. how many people have found legendaries only to pick them up and go, oh... uh. this would be good if i couldn't get 10x better off the AH.

it is pretty much the exact same thing as using those keys in Borderlands 2 to unlock the chest filled with amazing purple equipment. If you do that once every 10 levels or so, it's totally fine. you get an awesome sniper rifle and it becomes your primary weapon for ~10 levels or so... but you still can get awesome shields, assault rifles, pistols, grenades, etc. if you use something like a trainer, you can give yourself unlimited keys. now, any drop you get naturally is worthless because you're rolling in free purples.

i'm not saying that the AH is cheating per se... just that it literally decimates that joy you get when you loot items. when you kill a zombie and 3 grey items fall out.... do you pick them up? no. why? because they are junk. when you kill a zombie and 3 legendaries pop out, do you pick them up? well... depends... is it a 1 handed sword? is it a helm? is it a shield?

you ask those questions NOT because they are possible upgrades, they're not and you know they aren't. you ask those questions because in some cases it could be the difference between 100 gold from a vendor and 30m from the AH.

the benefit of the AH is that it gives a purpose to some of those bizarre items that are worthwhile, but not to you. the problem with the AH is that in order to make items have some real worth, they HAVE to bend the RNG. we can't have 40 million perfect rolls out there... it'll tank the market.

i'm definately not saying that removing the AH will in-and-of-itself fix all the problems in d3, but it's a pretty big step in the right direction. and honestly, i even like the AH. it feels good to be able to compliment the gear that you find and fill out your set. the problem is that it is next to impossible to have an AH be "supplemental" in an ARPG. Unlike in an MMO where people trade supplies and whatnot. things that are, generally speaking, equal. in wow, if someone puts up a sword called, "Sword of +Gooderer Stats" it's going to be identical to every other "Sword of +Gooderer Stats" that is ever found in the game. in a game where stats are dynamic, then any min-maxer is going to find 99.99999% of an item's iteration useless.

Nirgon_sl said:

New build you want to try gets posted, you don't have the "whatever it is that makes it work". No AH to pick up a cheap version.

->Clear Act V 20 times, get legendaries but not the one you need.
->Miss the days of being able to pick up one for 2-10mil on the AH.

Have you seen the bargain build youtubes that let you farm mp7-8? This exists only because of the inflation of items on the AH and the rising ceiling of "what's valuable".

If they're mad they can't clear mp10 now (or fast enough), I can't imagine their shock when they realize what monster power level they will be farming with their 2-4 hours every 2-4 days. Here's a hint... not 10.

The D3 casuals/socialists know not what they praise. The dedicated will always be fine when it comes to gearing.

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Yeah, bonehead move blizz, wtf. They really should close their forums.

Of course there's going to be items that are better than you could get yourself, probably 10-20 of them up for trade at any given time. This is Diablo.

Now you just won't see them up for auction without browsing forums (the new AH) and will possibly get scammed (if you're dumb) in the trade window.

Fucking Obama!

So is everything about the new paragon system speculation at this point? Mainly, what happens to your old paragon levels? Is it a total assumption that your current paragon carries over somehow, as well as paragon being shared across characters/ladders?

In other words, is everything you do in the game right now completely worthless because of ladder + new paragon system?

I mean, you'd -think- that paragon will become account wide, and carry over to new ladder seasons etc so that each time you start over you have a leg up based on how much XP farming you've done. And you'd think people who actually farmed 100 fucking levels of the shit won't get a stick in their ass come 2.0.

PS: Step 1 when the AH goes away is to disable chat and never turn it on again.

My only question is how fast you can do 100 paragon levels with the xpac out versus now. The rest is set in stone. And, everything isn't ladder. It should be open and ladder. At the end of the ladder, chars get moved to open.

With "no ceiling", I would think the first 100 should go by very quickly?

Going to feel stupid for spending all this time now, I'm sure.

do you remember when Jay Wilson talked up how hard inferno was and how like, no one on staff was even able to beat it? and he like, issued some stupid challenge about beating inferno when it gets released? and then, like SEVERAL poeple beat inferno within a few days? how did they do that? AH. they bought and sold crap on the AH. the effectively funded each other.

anyone who played WITHOUT the ah, actually enjoyed the challenge. mostly... there were of course certain champions that were unbeatable for certain classes/builds, and even if they were beatable, it was still WAY more efficient to just skip most champions.

but barring those examples... when you beat inferno chapter 1 it FELT good. until those stupid effing mosquitos showed up in chapter 2... but still...the point is that if the AH wasn't in place, you wouldn't feel the sting of bad loot NEARLY as badly. it would still be there, you just wouldn't be so keenly aware of it.

and since the loot that drops is balanced for the fact that at any given second, 30000 lvl 32 broad swords will be dropping at the same time, the chances that you get one that's even remarkably memorable in any way shape or form is pretty low.

point is, without the AH, the loot would be better. and if it wasn't? then great, we wouldn't have people burning through the content within a month and shelving the game. there is something inherently wrong with equipping your character IN ANY GAME, much less an ARPG, with the best items in the game without even entering the game world.

Those guys that beat inferno early literally lived in their computer chair tho

They were definitely in the game world

It also helped that people were sending them mountains of loot and gold.

If you gave Athene gold, he'd send you a lock of his greasy hair

j00t_sl said:

do you remember when Jay Wilson talked up how hard inferno was and how like, no one on staff was even able to beat it? and he like, issued some stupid challenge about beating inferno when it gets released? and then, like SEVERAL poeple beat inferno within a few days? how did they do that? AH. they bought and sold crap on the AH. the effectively funded each other.

anyone who played WITHOUT the ah, actually enjoyed the challenge. mostly... there were of course certain champions that were unbeatable for certain classes/builds, and even if they were beatable, it was still WAY more efficient to just skip most champions.

but barring those examples... when you beat inferno chapter 1 it FELT good. until those stupid effing mosquitos showed up in chapter 2... but still...the point is that if the AH wasn't in place, you wouldn't feel the sting of bad loot NEARLY as badly. it would still be there, you just wouldn't be so keenly aware of it.

and since the loot that drops is balanced for the fact that at any given second, 30000 lvl 32 broad swords will be dropping at the same time, the chances that you get one that's even remarkably memorable in any way shape or form is pretty low.

point is, without the AH, the loot would be better. and if it wasn't? then great, we wouldn't have people burning through the content within a month and shelving the game. there is something inherently wrong with equipping your character IN ANY GAME, much less an ARPG, with the best items in the game without even entering the game world.

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Cant equip them till level 60 mang.

j00t_sl said:

do you remember when Jay Wilson talked up how hard inferno was and how like, no one on staff was even able to beat it? and he like, issued some stupid challenge about beating inferno when it gets released? and then, like SEVERAL poeple beat inferno within a few days? how did they do that? AH. they bought and sold crap on the AH. the effectively funded each other.

anyone who played WITHOUT the ah, actually enjoyed the challenge. mostly... there were of course certain champions that were unbeatable for certain classes/builds, and even if they were beatable, it was still WAY more efficient to just skip most champions.

but barring those examples... when you beat inferno chapter 1 it FELT good. until those stupid effing mosquitos showed up in chapter 2... but still...the point is that if the AH wasn't in place, you wouldn't feel the sting of bad loot NEARLY as badly. it would still be there, you just wouldn't be so keenly aware of it.

and since the loot that drops is balanced for the fact that at any given second, 30000 lvl 32 broad swords will be dropping at the same time, the chances that you get one that's even remarkably memorable in any way shape or form is pretty low.

point is, without the AH, the loot would be better. and if it wasn't? then great, we wouldn't have people burning through the content within a month and shelving the game. there is something inherently wrong with equipping your character IN ANY GAME, much less an ARPG, with the best items in the game without even entering the game world.

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Ummm two things.

1. Auction house definitely gave a sting to bad loot, but the balancing around it made your % chance of finding an item EVEN less so it was a double edged sword. You found less items, and you had better items easily available via the auction house.
2. Original Inferno was unbalanced as fuck. The extremely slow pace of killing combined with the very very low % chance to find ANYTHING was retarded. Do you even remember pre-nephalam valor? Inferno was a straight up luck fest. Not only were the drop rates abysmal, but the killing of rare packs was 10x slower. People having Tyrael fight for them in the hopes of winning the lottery on items, and killing pots to save up gold to buy items, so that gives you an idea of how fun it was...

Kreugen_sl said:

It also helped that people were sending them mountains of loot and gold.

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And that they corpse-hopped/cheesed everything

Deathwing_sl said:

Are you sure you played the same D3 as the rest of us? Original Inferno past Act 1 without the AH was akin to suicide.

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i'm sorry, i think i'm making 2 seperate points... they watered down the drops so that you HAD to use the AH, because the game was balanced around it existing, not around you using it. so you might as well use it.

the other point is how people were complaining about not being able to do mp10 after 10 minutes of shopping and actually having to work at it. my response to that is: "good." you shoulnd't be doing mp10 right after you hit 60.

I don't see any items in the AH that would let me do mp10 without dropping decent cash. Prove me wrong of course, but seriously. I didn't see much great shit on there that was $5.


If a moron wants to skip all the game by paying $1,000 then who gives a literal shit?