Django Unchained

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If there were a spectrum of movie watchers, I'd be towards the Szila end. With that said, I loved the movie, I'm a big QT fan and I'm sure I give him more credit (on a film snob level) than Szila does. I thought Django was Tarentino's least stylishly interesting film but also his most substantive. There isn't a stand out scene (think the basement bar scene in IB), no monologues reach the heights of Kill Bill's Superman one, etc. At the same time, the movie probably raises more issues regarding slavery than any movie ever. The film sparks conversations. It makes me wish I was back in college, discussing it in a Race in Film class. It's also hilarious, stylish, and packed with great performances.

However, I think its rather easy to see how some could find the movie offensive. Take the tone of the film, and the use of 'American Inventor'. Tarantino is the the Andy Warhol of film. He makes pop art. It's pop. And art. I love that. Some don't see the art. Others disagree that his subjects should ever be pop. I'm not a fan of criticizing a film without seeing it. Still, I don't think Lee needed to see the movie to understand that it's not Schindler's List, which is how he thinks slavery should be treated. I get that and the movie is exploitative, at times it's a cartoon, at times it's a comedy. Ultimately, it uses the horrors of slavery in service of B movie entertainment. That doesn't offend me, but I see how it would offend some. Moving on, the suspicion regarding the use of 'American Inventor' is that not only does QT use it to be historically accurate but also because he derives some childish enjoyment from using it, he enjoys shocking people with it. In a way, he's trolling. Pulp Fiction and his "dead American Inventor storage" line is the prime example. You can read about Sam Jackson explaining the difference between 'Wakandan' and 'American Inventor' to QT at the time of filming, but one expects that QT already knew. Given that foundation, some think QT uses history as an excuse to use the word in Django. To an extent, I think he does. I think he also uses it to be historically accurate. I think he also uses it to show how slaves were routinely dehumanized. That's what makes dude interesting.

/edit I'm surprised that people are having trouble with the goals of movies on a video game message board. There's Call of Duty, Bio shock, Shadow of the Colossus, Braid, Math Blasters, and so on. Some people only want Call of Duty, others prefer Shadow of the Colossus. No different with movies.

/edit 2 I found this short piece which covers some of what I said above, only it says better.http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...-reviewed.html
 

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Just saw this. Fucking awesome. My favorite movie all year, better than Moonrise Kingdom, etc. I had a big smile on my face the whole time (I felt this way in Expendables 2 also!). Fucking great. QT sure can frame up some great scenes. Like the part towards beginning when riding into the first town together, and you see Django's head pass through the noose w/ parallax scrolling. And the scene towards the end when all the white slave herders are in the cabin, ones building the birdhouse, etc, just the way it was shot. Fucking great man. Loved it!
 

Disp_sl

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Saw this earlier today. First third of the movie was awesome, and the rest really dragged until the end. This would've been a great movie if it were 2 hours or 2:15, but the dialogue in the middle was just too thick for my taste. The pacing reminded me of Jackie Brown, where the movie just completely lost my attention in the middle until it got interesting again in the last 15 minutes. Samuel L. Jackson and especially Christoph Waltz were amazing though.
 

Alex

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Saw this earlier today. First third of the movie was awesome, and the rest really dragged until the end. This would've been a great movie if it were 2 hours or 2:15, but the dialogue in the middle was just too thick for my taste. The pacing reminded me of Jackie Brown, where the movie just completely lost my attention in the middle until it got interesting again in the last 15 minutes. Samuel L. Jackson and especially Christoph Waltz were amazing though.
I don't think it was as bad as Jackie Brown, but then again I thought Jackie Brown was badass the first time but then I caught a lot of things that detracted from the movie. I don't think the drawn out part starts until the end. The dinner scene in Candyland is fantastic.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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Oh, is that what Sam Jackson looks like now? Or was there a lot of makeup involved? Christoph Waltz is fucking fantastic! He's so entertaining just to watch and listen to. Leo DiCaprio was fantastic as well, and the "cut hand scene" was great. I still think Leo is #2 best actor on planet second to Daniel Day Lewis (IMHO Bill the Butcher is the best character in any movie, ever.)
 

foddon

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What a fucking retard. He needs to slide the decimal point on that IQ of his to the left a couple times if he wants anyone to believe it.
 

BrutulTM

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Considering the fact that Kat Williams standup is 98% him just saying the N-word over and over, I can see where he sees this film as a threat to his livelihood.
 

xrg

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Why would someone go get an IQ test every 6 months? I wonder if he's actually adding his scores together like they're points you collect.
 

Swagdaddy

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Anyone hanging out with Suge Knight does not have a 141 IQ.
 

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http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/29/katt-w...ngo-unchained/

Katt Williams' spiral towards complete insanity continues. I personally hope he does bump into Tarantino and gets that little man syndrome beat right out of him.
Do they not understand this is a period piece? I don't think Tarantino used the word for purely comedic value either, it really fit the tone of the movie and people's attitude towards Django in the film

Either way, I saw this, I loved it all the way through the dinner scene. I also felt like the blood came out of nowhere and was wondering of it was intentional, pretty awesome Leo stuck with it like that. The pacing was weird as hell though, felt like ROTK. I was sure the movie was ending that night or the next morning but nope. An editor could've made this movie a 9 or a 9.5, but it's still very good and really really 'fun'.

8.5
 

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I love most of QT's films but Szlia has a point. The guy doesn't write movies, he just pays homage to movies he loves in film form. They are wildly entertaining and he has a knack for comedic over embellishment but you will never find his movies to be thought provoking or beautiful. They are just good old fashioned fun.
complete and total bullshit. on the IMDB website, "pulp fiction" is the #4 greatest movie of all time as voted on by their users, only behind "the shawshank redemption", and "the godfather parts 1 and 2." that's pretty god damn good company. on amctv.com's list of the all time greatest movies ever made, "pulp fiction" is #11. it was, and still is, one of the most influential movies ever made.
 

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Third) Jaime Foxx was recently in that stupid ass demandaplan.org video to ban assault rifles. Really? You make this EPIC and AWESOME movie (Which is pretty much 98% gun violence) and then denounce it by saying we shouldn't have them? Idiot. He can go Join Spike Lee in the "Fuck yourself" bin.
All celebrities can go fuck themselves.

 

nate_sl

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Pulp Fiction has the best dialogue of any movie ever, period. Although I generally like QT's movies, he has never done anything as close to as good as Pulp Fiction.
 

EmiliaEQ_sl

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Pulp Fiction has the best dialogue of any movie ever, period. Although I generally like QT's movies, he has never done anything as close to as good as Pulp Fiction.
So many unforgettable lines ...... Marcellus Wallas look like a bitch ... Dead American Inventor storage... Zed's dead baby....
And of course ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT ?
 

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Went and saw this during the snow storm, fire broke out in the theater and didn't get to finish it. Boner killer.
 

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ROFL at those saying 25th Hour is better than Pulp Fiction. 25th Hour was a good movie, but lets get fucking serious here. Spike Lee is a faggot.

Django.... What a fucking movie. Loved it. It was about 15 minutes too long, but it was still excellent. This slots in at #2 behind Zero Dark Thirty on my moveis of the year list. Better than Inglorious Bastards.
 
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This post reeks of "too good for you" movie snob. I think it's hard to get much better than Inglourious Basterds or Reservoir Dogs. Jackie Brown and Death Proof are the only Tarantino films I wouldn't consider great. Death Proof actually sucks, but Jackie Brown is still pretty good.
It's not really a movie snob thing. I'm a movie snob. Cannes juries are movie snobs. It's a more general art snob thing. You can find this argument in every art school across the US.

I always roll my eyes when directors like Tarantino or authors like Stephen King are denounced as producers of pulp crap. After trying and failing to understand why some people require social commentary to appreciate a piece of art, I gave up.

Szlia's argument would be more convincing if instead of saying 'Tarantino's movies aren't great' he had said 'Tarantino's movies aren't genius.' Genius, by definition, requires originality. His movies take a genre and elevate the production to art... so the case might be made that he's not really doing anything new. But his craftsmanship is nearly peerless. Also, despite this schtick, it'd be hard to convince me a good deal of his work is not genius.


Anyway, I really enjoyed Django. I thought the ending was a little long without Christoph Waltz or DiCaprio to carry Jamie Foxx (he's growing on me but I'm not his biggest fan). I wish the first two parts of the movie were a bit longer, but I like longer movies... probably alone in that respect.
 

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Saw this last night and it was great. Tarantino's cameo in which he tries to do an Australian accent was extremely painful, but I liked how it ended. I loved the scene where Waltz and DiCaprio are arguing over the handshake. They are both such great actors.