Dune (2020)

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Big Phoenix said:
If youre idea of the future is one where humanity has homogenized into more or less one ethnicity, it wouldnt look anything like the actress cast as Liet.
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No, my idea is a future where humanity treats skin color as nothing more important than hair or eye color; and if Liet (black woman) is Chani's mom then no wonder she is brown; but it still makes sense if Liet is not originally from Arrakis but rather one of the more 'free' planets.

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The fremen are pretty much explicitly in the text of middle eastern descent, and more importantly they are a very long term mostly gentically isolated enclave that has been running from oppression/persecution for thousands of years by going to more and more isolated planets. Making them diverse is counter to their story. On the flip side, both Harkonnen and Atreides sides are portrayed as being diverse and what not.

I don't care what part of middle east you pick people from, as that's never strictly covered, but the fremen should definitely be less diverse than other groups if you want to tell the story like it's written. That said, it doesn't bother me much. Now if they cast a woman as a Tlelaxu... that's pretty much a riot worthy mistake.
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Well the biggest issue with that is Aldarion Aldarion posted Herbert's description of Chani and she was a fiery redhead; so how is that supposed to happen if her mother in the real story was a Fremen?
 
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Kuro said:
I assume this movie will end with the attack
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Nope.

The trailer includes idaho's death fight scene, Jessica besting Stilgar and Chani... ranting or something? So it will go up to where paul joins the Fremen.
 
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Lightning Lord Rule said:
Assuming the Corrinos are removed and all of the focus is put on the Harkonnens as bad evil ridiculously pale 2 dimensional villains which appears to be the case for at least this first installment, that really speaks to how the narrative has been gutted to appeal to the 90 IQ film masses. Which is a travesty IMO.
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If you mosey on over to the book section you'll find my post on why I think the Harkonnen vs Emp Carrino scene is the most important scene in the book. We knew from the beginning they'd gut the smart of this book out. Dune is a highly political book about the way people think. Showing how people think in a movie is not easy to do. At best this was going to be a fun space adventure thing in the dune universe. I'm setting my expectations low. I like space action flicks, so maybe this will be a fun that to go with reading the book again if I want to feel smart.
 
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Lightning Lord Rule said:
BR 2049 was pretty nonsense unworthy of the title/IP, Sicario was mediocre at best and carried by Del Toro
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These are some edgy fuckin' takes..
 
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Heresies of “Dune” | Los Angeles Review of Books

Are there any liberals on Arrakis? Daniel Immerwahr considers the backstory and political impact of Frank Herbert's "Dune."...
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Young Herbert hunted and fished, and it was while out fishing that he met a man he called “Indian Henry” (almost certainly Henry Martin of the Hoh Tribe), who “semi-adopted” the boy, as Herbert told his son. For two years, Henry taught him how to live off the land. It was the start of a lifelong engagement with Native affairs. Herbert’s closest friend in adulthood was Howard Hansen, who grew up on the nearby Quileute reservation and had been trained by elders there as a repository for spiritual knowledge. Herbert would later draft two novels about Indigenous life in Western Washington.

It’s easy to imagine that this socialist-raised, Native American–sympathizing young man would become a leftist. But for Herbert, commune living and Indian Henry’s backwoods lessons firmed up a hostility to the federal government. He came to oppose “any kind of public charity system,” he explained, because he “learned early on that our society’s institutions often weaken people’s self-reliance.” So, rather than following the trail of cooperative socialism to New Deal liberalism, he tacked in the opposite direction. Herbert became a Republican.
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Lightning Lord Rule said:
BR 2049 was pretty nonsense unworthy of the title/IP
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This isn't really a take I've come across before. I've seen people that just don't like either movie because the genre doesn't do it for them and I get that. But to really like the first one and hate 2049 is just strange to me.
 
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Kirun said:
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These are some edgy fuckin' takes..
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Its more like a nuclear take since he didnt watch the "Charie Sheen remake Arrival". Honestly it may be the worst opinion I have seen on this board and there are 23000 posts from Mist.
 
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i am thinking since i see him fighting with the fremen it might end with paul waking up post taking the water of life while being surrounded by the worms. that might be a bit far into the book.

not quite sure where another good break point is besides him meeting the fremen for the first time.
 
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Hans Zimmer. Can’t go wrong. I think this soundtrack is going to be as good as Blade Runner 2049
 
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Sterling said:
But to really like the first one and hate 2049 is just strange to me.
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This. You could almost argue that 2049 is actually better than the original. And honestly, if it wasn't for a performance of a lifetime out of Rutger Hauer, it definitely was.

When Ryan Gosling finds out he's not the child and just a replicant? Fucking S+ tier acting there.
 
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Lightning Lord Rule said:
.And for the record, I have no idea why anyone thinks Villaneuve is anything but a hack who should have no responsibilities above cinematography. BR 2049 was pretty nonsense unworthy of the title/IP, Sicario was mediocre at best and carried by Del Toro, and I didn't see the Arrival because I can't be bothered to see a remake of a semi-decent Charlie Sheen movie featuring backward-legged aliens.
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Arrival was fantastic and it’s not a remake of the Charlie Sheen film. I also though BR 2049 was quite good. To each his own I guess.

That said, I am on the fence about Dune and am hedging my expectations. Villeneuve doesn’t get this book. At. all.

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On adapting the book written in the 1960s for the 21st century, Villeneuve wanted to reflect on realities that have happened related to overexploitation of the Earth, and considered his screenplay "a coming-of-age story, but also a call for action for the youth".[30] Other changes included altering some of the arcs of the female characters in the book. According to Rebecca Ferguson, who was cast as Lady Jessica, "Denis was very respectful of Frank’s work in the book, [but] the quality of the arcs for [many] of the women have been brought up to a new level. There were some shifts he did, and they are beautifully portrayed now."[30] Lady Jessica was given an expanded role as a soldier as well as being part of the Bene Gesserit, which the studio labeled as a "warrior priestess", comparing to the joking label of "space nun" that Villeneuve felt the book gave across.[30] Dr. Liet Kynes, the ecologist on Arrakis who is male in the novel, was also given to a female lead Sharon Duncan-Brewster to help expand the cast diversity.
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Everything about the above paragraph makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. This is why we can’t have nice things,
 
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I think the thing that bothers me the most about the trailers is the dialogue. The conversations between characters are very important and it doesn't sound like Herbert's writing at all. I don't think Paul ever called Leto Dad.
 
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