Elden Ring - From Software + George RR Martin

Droigan said:

Only runs I find interesting to watch are the ones that actually "do" content so to speak. Not really impressed with speed runs that requires breaking the game. I don't mind taking advantage of in game things that are powerful, but like speed runs of DS1 where you jump off a bridge at a specific angle putting you below the world, and then moving sideways and skipping half the game isn't really something I enjoy watching.

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It's just exploring a facet of the game, not the pinnacle of the game.

ER speedrun vids would be more entertaining if ER was organized such that more of the game was required to beat it. Ex: having to get all the great runes and climb all the towers or something.

Khane said:

So, I wanted to try some Lightning builds out but I missed the Sanctified Whetblade before I burned the tree and apparently its gone until NG+ now. Why do you do this to me From Software?!

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Playing these kinds of games at release is definitely a two-edged sword. I want to see all the content but don't want to read enough about the game (or it's not available when I play) to see all the content.

I'll probably do a rule-driven playthrough after the first DLC comes out and get a nice checklist of quests to not ruin.

Yeah it appears there's only a few bosses you MUST beat to actually progress to the point where you can finish the game as the speedruns are showing.

The sub 30 minute completion run doesn't do any glitch warping. It uses in game teleportation mechanics (belfries, iron maiden) to get around and bypass the long travel time and even other available shortcuts that exist in the game. The guy does log out of the game to decrease the time of certain things though.

Cheese via Hoarfrost Stomp is some shit though. If the damage on it is lowered speedrunners lose access to an easy and overwhelming amount of damage. Sot that would change it up a lot.

Chris said:

Anyone got any good farm spots?

I'm lv60 and the best one I have are the 1k rune guys outside the Beast Sanctum in Northern Caelid.

All the better ones on google are locked behind Radahn or Omen King which is where I am up to and what I would like some more levels for.

I've unlocked the capital and Volcano Manor but don't want to mess around in the capital too much as I've heard it progresses the story and can break quests.

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War-Dead Catacombs entry area is decent. The soldiers there respawn (limited number of times, like 8ish?), and you can usually watch until the annoying clean-rot faggots warp off the ledge to where you're only dealing with the two generic soldiers. Everything in there is worth at least 1k.

Vorph said:

Wat? The whole thing is based on 'wrongwarps' and other glitches that put your character in a place you shouldn't be when you log out and back in. One of the first things he does is glitch his way from the portal to Crumbling Farum Azula which is segregated from the rest of the zone into the actual starting spot you don't normally get to until after the fire giant. He glitches his way into the godskin noble fight so that it doesn't fight back. He glitches into the Godfrey fight so he can skip it entirely. Etc. I guess I just don't "get" speedrunning, because doing it like that doesn't seem like any kind of accomplishment at all to me.

There's probably other things they could do to replicate Hoarfrost's damage, but the biggest benefit is the ice goes around corners, and over and sometimes even through obstacles. I think there'd be a ton of runs ruined by the godskin duo if they actually had to fight without a gazebo between them and the bosses.

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I read a message that said “try sleep” just before godskin duo. Sure enough, I put skinny to sleep while I poked fatty full of holes and only had to deal with one at a time.

Vorph said:

Wat? The whole thing is based on 'wrongwarps' and other glitches that put your character in a place you shouldn't be when you log out and back in. One of the first things he does is glitch his way from the portal to Crumbling Farum Azula which is segregated from the rest of the zone into the actual starting spot you don't normally get to until after the fire giant. He glitches his way into the godskin noble fight so that it doesn't fight back. He glitches into the Godfrey fight so he can skip it entirely. Etc. I guess I just don't "get" speedrunning, because doing it like that doesn't seem like any kind of accomplishment at all to me.

There's probably other things they could do to replicate Hoarfrost's damage, but the biggest benefit is the ice goes around corners, and over and sometimes even through obstacles. I think there'd be a ton of runs ruined by the godskin duo if they actually had to fight without a gazebo between them and the bosses.

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For me the most interesting thing about speedrun vids is the glitches instead of the usage of OP early builds like hoarfrost. It's just a fun meta competition to see who can break the game harder. The parts that actually play the game and involve skill are secondary to that. I just kind of wish there was more in ER to stop it.

I made like 5 different builds testing some of the most "OP" builds (as of this writing) - including: Blasphemous Blade fire build, SoN&F, the utterly stupid Comet Azur build, the Black Knife Dex/Faith build, and the dual uchi bleed build and I'm not actually sure which one is most broken. The Blasphemous blade build is the comfiest easily, and the easiest to use as the range is dumb and it just rips everything. SoN&F is also exceptional, particularly on all later game bosses but I just don't really like the style, the sword itself when not spamming magic and the moveset. Comet Azur is a meme and not fun at all. Dual Seppukku is fun and mobile, enjoyed that. Honestly I think the most "broken" of those I've tried though is the black knife build - it's a target locked boss eliminator that chunks their HP, adds a DOT and then makes their health bar smaller. Fast cast time as well and when I used this I got Malenia down in 1 try (kind of felt cheap actually). It sucked on a few bosses (not sure if they have resist or what) but overall it's just completely busted. I'm very curious what people will continue to come up with as the months go by - the shear amount of weapons, talismans, AoW's etc gives this game so much meat on the bone I can't even fathom what some people will soon come up with. I think in general this is a harder FROM game, but they've added so many mechanics to help ANYBODY muddle through. Stuck on a boss? Try this weapon, AOW, etc and watch it dissolve in front of you. Good stuff.

After almost 200 lvls and 100+ hours I'd say this - this is easily FROM's best ever game which means it's my favorite game of all time....

That said, I'm sure I'm in the minority but I want more exposition/story/narrative focus - much as I love the youtube guys video's and explanations, for me I want the narrative and world to be brought into more focus through gameplay, etc. I also think in general the bosses here are maybe the 3rd best in terms of FROM's catalogue. This game is carried a bit by the absolutely unbelievable world they built, shear size and diversity, build diversity, exploration and mini dungeons etc. The bosses are good, some are 10/10 but in general I thought they weren't FROM's best and for the first time ever in a FROM game I was having more fun exploring the glorious overworld, solving puzzles etc than I was dungeon crawling towards EPIC BOSS 17* which I never thought I'd say.

If they take this game, stick it in Bloodbornes world (Gothic Cosmic Horror) and add a tiny bit more story exposition (in a way that doesn't detract from the pioneer spirit in Elden Ring), I will die a happy man. As it stands, what they made with this game is frankly unbelievable.

Springbok said:

I made like 5 different builds testing some of the most "OP" builds (as of this writing) - including: Blasphemous Blade fire build, SoN&F, the utterly stupid Comet Azur build, the Black Knife Dex/Faith build, and the dual uchi bleed build and I'm not actually sure which one is most broken. The Blasphemous blade build is the comfiest easily, and the easiest to use as the range is dumb and it just rips everything. SoN&F is also exceptional, particularly on all later game bosses but I just don't really like the style, the sword itself when not spamming magic and the moveset. Comet Azur is a meme and not fun at all. Dual Seppukku is fun and mobile, enjoyed that. Honestly I think the most "broken" of those I've tried though is the black knife build - it's a target locked boss eliminator that chunks their HP, adds a DOT and then makes their health bar smaller. Fast cast time as well and when I used this I got Malenia down in 1 try (kind of felt cheap actually). It sucked on a few bosses (not sure if they have resist or what) but overall it's just completely busted. I'm very curious what people will continue to come up with as the months go by - the shear amount of weapons, talismans, AoW's etc gives this game so much meat on the bone I can't even fathom what some people will soon come up with. I think in general this is a harder FROM game, but they've added so many mechanics to help ANYBODY muddle through. Stuck on a boss? Try this weapon, AOW, etc and watch it dissolve in front of you. Good stuff.

After almost 200 lvls and 100+ hours I'd say this - this is easily FROM's best ever game which means it's my favorite game of all time....

That said, I'm sure I'm in the minority but I want more exposition/story/narrative focus - much as I love the youtube guys video's and explanations, for me I want the narrative and world to be brought into more focus through gameplay, etc. I also think in general the bosses here are maybe the 3rd best in terms of FROM's catalogue. This game is carried a bit by the absolutely unbelievable world they built, shear size and diversity, build diversity, exploration and mini dungeons etc. The bosses are good, some are 10/10 but in general I thought they weren't FROM's best and for the first time ever in a FROM game I was having more fun exploring the glorious overworld, solving puzzles etc than I was dungeon crawling towards EPIC BOSS 17* which I never thought I'd say.

If they take this game, stick it in Bloodbornes world (Gothic Cosmic Horror) and add a tiny bit more story exposition (in a way that doesn't detract from the pioneer spirit in Elden Ring), I will die a happy man. As it stands, what they made with this game is frankly unbelievable.

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I've never heard of the black knife build. What offhand / talismans / incantations did you use with it?

Did you try the hoarfrost build? It's pretty stupid.