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You mean one of the other 4 things thay is actually known about the game? Developers cannot churn out pve content faster than players can consume it so don't even expect eqn to try? That that will not be the focus of eqn and if thats what you are looking for there are a plethora of games out there that are not eqn that you are welcome to play? Im on my cell or i'd link you the direct quote that im paraphrasing for you.
I hope you're right about the PvP. I know there was something from Smedley about PvP being in the design from the ground-up, but that was before they reset the game. The most recent credible thing I have seen is an indication that the PvP won't be open.
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Quaid

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My options being what? You had Lower Guk and Sol B. That was it unless you were a druid or necro and could solo your way to 50.

It wasn't a daily thing where you couldn't find groups, but it did happen. Any game that has you sitting around for hours and then eventually logging because you couldn't do anything is very flawed.
Hmmmm IIRC Feerott Spectres gave xp until at least the mid 40s... maybe all the way to 50.
Think OOT Goblin/Cyc camp gave xp to 50.
Off faction guards could definitely yeld xp to 50.
Perma could support at least 3 45+ groups. Maybe more.
Kedge had a crazy ZEM and also yield xp to 50.

All that in Vanilla for 40-50 xp groups plus at least 9 xp camps in Lguk, and another 6-7 in SolB... There was a lot of content to do, people just didn't do it. Most people just sat at zonelines because they refused to xp anywhere except camps wit phat lewtz.
 

zzeris

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I hope you're right about the PvP. I know there was something from Smedley about PvP being in the design from the ground-up, but that was before they reset the game. The most recent credible thing I have seen is an indication that the PvP won't be open.
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Hmmm, just when my tears were welling up....bad design decisions indeed.
 

Convo

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You mean one of the other 4 things thay is actually known about the game? Developers cannot churn out pve content faster than players can consume it so don't even expect eqn to try? That that will not be the focus of eqn and if thats what you are looking for there are a plethora of games out there that are not eqn that you are welcome to play? Im on my cell or i'd link you the direct quote that im paraphrasing for you.
There is actually some info floating around on EQN...PvP isn't some of that info. I'm more likely to think it will be contested areas. Why? Bc a large number of SoE player base are PvE folks. To force them into pvp would only make them not play.
 

Quaid

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That could mean anything at all. He could mean no open world PVP, or he could mean it is zone restricted. Don't cry yet.
 

Zacx_sl

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Hmmmm IIRC Feerott Spectres gave xp until at least the mid 40s... maybe all the way to 50.
Think OOT Goblin/Cyc camp gave xp to 50.
Off faction guards could definitely yeld xp to 50.
Perma could support at least 3 45+ groups. Maybe more.
Kedge had a crazy ZEM and also yield xp to 50.

All that in Vanilla for 40-50 xp groups plus at least 9 xp camps in Lguk, and another 6-7 in SolB... There was a lot of content to do, people just didn't do it. Most people just sat at zonelines because they refused to xp anywhere except camps wit phat lewtz.
yup this is a good post
definitely a lot of places where you could exp, but most people were lazy or willing to wait for a chance of getting the 'premium' camps in guk/solb
kind of easier if you camp out in lguk, log on, go lfg and hope for the best rather than travel all around between camps each night. travelling and setting up camps took a while, not very feasible if you only have limited play time

for example, on the Mac server I've been camped out with my box group at juggs in Sebilis for the past week. Just log on, kill a few juggs during the few minutes of playtime I got, and log off in the same spot

most people in classic would have been the same , just stay in guk or solb for days/weeks ... i remember there was a job for "food runners" in those places, aka people who would re-sell vendor purchased food to people who haven't left the zone in weeks
 

DMK_sl

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Yes. But I can't let people insult me without insulting them back. Only problem is that I am good at it and then they go crying to draegan who bans me because he is a fuckwit.

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LMAO. Asif I'd ever goto draegan to deal with a pathetic loser like you. You are such a wierdo you are private messaging me right now trying to start conversation with me while I tell you to fuck off. Then you post in this thread like you are some hero. All you have to do is look at your nets to see how many people value your posting.

Anyway not gonna derail this thread like you did the last time. Hopefully you will forget to take your anti-depressants flip out and get banned... again.
 
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LMAO. Asif I'd ever goto draegan to deal with a pathetic loser like you. You are such a wierdo you are private messaging me right now trying to start conversation with me while I tell you to fuck off. Then you post in this thread like you are some hero. All you have to do is look at your nets to see how many people value your posting.

Anyway not gonna derail this thread like you did the last time. Hopefully you will forget to take your anti-depressants flip out and get banned... again.
I'm not trying to start a conversation, I was just prodding for info. But I am decided now anyway, your posts sound like they come from a 13 year old kid and I'm pretty sure that's what you are. When you aren't insulting me, you are usually insulting someone else. I am pretty sure you never played EQ because you just weren't old enough. Maybe you tried it recently to see what the fuss is about, not sure on that yet. But most of your posts are terrible. Like I said, you are the worst poster on this whole site. Maybe Itzena but at least he/she doesn't post very much.

And I'm well aware of my negs, I have as many positive ones as you - even though I don't suck peoples asses like you do. The negative ones, I'm proud of them, because they come from the biggest scumbags on the site.
 
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Anyway not gonna derail this thread like you did the last time. Hopefully you will forget to take your anti-depressants flip out and get banned... again.
You already did, starting on your little 9 year olds tantrum at me. And my flip outs are always the same, I just insult people, like you are doing to me. The only difference is, Draegan is a fucking biased faggot.
 

Sylas

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I hope you're right about the PvP. I know there was something from Smedley about PvP being in the design from the ground-up, but that was before they reset the game. The most recent credible thing I have seen is an indication that the PvP won't be open.
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Uh not seeing how that's an indication that PVP won't be open? Was a simple question, non-consensual pvp or no? and the answer was "we're not saying, but it'll be fine". If anything, that's indicative that PVP will be open world. If it wasn't, the answer would have been a much more straight forward "No non-consensual pvp"

Actually if you read all the devtweets in response to that question it's pretty clear they aren't ready to reveal the answer to what should be a very simple question to answer, especially if the answer is "no open world pvp." See: jimmies being rustled in this thread from all the "no pvp!" types here for why.
 

DMK_sl

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That could mean anything at all. He could mean no open world PVP, or he could mean it is zone restricted. Don't cry yet.
Let's just all pray they keep PvP and PvE two completely separate things. Any MMO that has PVE skills being used for PvP will always fail as a PvP game.
 

Ambiturner

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half these werent my quotes. but for the one that was, you still couldnt interpret? Don't just sit your stupid ass at the LGuk zoneline. Form a group, get down there and fucking camp trash mobs for XP. Other groups will complain and try to pull those mobs too. COMPETE for them. Let them get themselves killed trying to kill you or trying to pull mobs at a faster pace to keep up with you. Don't be a fucking twat and QQ at zone in b/c you cant get a group. WTF dude, grow a sack.

I am so sick of people saying they can't do something. CREATE something to do. Get shit down. Think outside the fucking box. Holy shit.
So you say you need community and socializing to be important, then say I should form a group and steal everyone else's mobs? Way to be a hypocrite. Plus how the hell do you pull mobs at a faster pace when the place is on lockdown and things die as fast as they spawn? The whole point is there weren't enough mobs to go around. Holy fuck Your arguments make no sense.

There's also the fact that repeated kill stealing was a bannable offense.
 

Ambiturner

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Hmmmm IIRC Feerott Spectres gave xp until at least the mid 40s... maybe all the way to 50.
Think OOT Goblin/Cyc camp gave xp to 50.
Off faction guards could definitely yeld xp to 50.
Perma could support at least 3 45+ groups. Maybe more.
Kedge had a crazy ZEM and also yield xp to 50.

All that in Vanilla for 40-50 xp groups plus at least 9 xp camps in Lguk, and another 6-7 in SolB... There was a lot of content to do, people just didn't do it. Most people just sat at zonelines because they refused to xp anywhere except camps wit phat lewtz.
Spectres were always camped by solo players on one of the soloing classes and pointless if you're 50 anyways
OOT and Perma took a ridiculous amount of time to get to and were worthless at level 50 also.
Guards weren't viable for a group, just not enough of them and also worthless for a 50.
and Kedge keep was just a terrible unfun zone.
Fuck Kedge. That place was just terrible. There's a reason it was always completely empty.
 

Laedrun

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Hopefully they'll copy the eq1 pvp model and just put it on its own servers with crazy loot everything ffa or faction based servers. The pvp players could have their crazy all-in rulesets and the pve people could have their none at all, instead of trying to come up with some dumb hybrid model that always fails to satisfy both groups completely.
 

Nirgon

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Where's the stretch goals on "how different mechanics/gameplay are from the latest WoW expansion that is tanking"

the rustling has started.
Btw, we true classic EQ PvPers don't feel left out in the cold about a "just put PvP on a server and leave it that way" rule set by any means. We don't want battlegrounds added, we don't want arenas added, we don't want special gear sets added. We want open world PvP enabled and item loot.

For those of you PvPers that don't want that, I'm sure WoW has another expansion or two planned at least.
 

Dizzam_sl

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Uh not seeing how that's an indication that PVP won't be open? Was a simple question, non-consensual pvp or no? and the answer was "we're not saying, but it'll be fine". If anything, that's indicative that PVP will be open world. If it wasn't, the answer would have been a much more straight forward "No non-consensual pvp"

Actually if you read all the devtweets in response to that question it's pretty clear they aren't ready to reveal the answer to what should be a very simple question to answer, especially if the answer is "no open world pvp." See: jimmies being rustled in this thread from all the "no pvp!" types here for why.
The second part of the response wasn't "it'll be fine," it was "we avoid bad design decisions." On their face they have similar meanings, but in context of the question the implication is obviously that he considers non-consent PvP a bad design decision. It still leaves plenty of options on the table: different kinds of servers, flagging yourself for PvP, areas that are designated PvP areas, etc. However, it's a safe bet that the ability to attack any player at any time is not the default in EQN.

Btw, we true classic EQ PvPers don't feel left out in the cold about a "just put PvP on a server and leave it that way" rule set by any means. We don't want battlegrounds added, we don't want arenas added, we don't want special gear sets added. We want open world PvP enabled and item loot.
Exactly. This is what I was trying to get at earlier. Don't try and "cater to the PvP crowd" by giving us special loot for PvP or trying to balance the classes for PvP. Just give us our own server with the PvP switch turned on.
 

Sylas

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The second part of the response wasn't "it'll be fine," it was "we avoid bad design decisions." On their face they have similar meanings, but in context of the question the implication is obviously that he considers non-consent PvP a bad design decision. It still leaves plenty of options on the table: different kinds of servers, flagging yourself for PvP, areas that are designated PvP areas, etc. However, it's a safe bet that the ability to attack any player at any time is not the default in EQN.
meh, I completely disagree with you say is an obvious implication. Doesn't fit from what has been revealed thus far: The game is supposed to be the biggest sandbox ever. Sandbox is only meaningful with open world pvp. Developers agree completely with that statement. I believe the person who asked the question believes it's a bad design decision (it isn't), and the developers gave an answer that that person could misconstrue as validating their opinion. It's far more telling that every single response to that question was "wait and see" and "it's going to be fine." If the answer was no, it would have set a great deal of former EQ players mind at ease by simply stating as such, yet they refused to do so.