Everquest Legends
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M Power
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moonarchia
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It's the definition of winning that causes it to be a variable. There is no actual 'win' condition on a solo server. You are not in competition for anything with anyone else. There is no tangible benefit from reaching max level or anything before others. It's like using nitro on an empty racetrack.
Mrniceguy
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No shit that's we've been trying to tell you. Secrets is a tranny retard that got fired from his last job because he couldn't stop playing games at work, he doesn't understand what made THJ popular. He is designing the game from the perspective of someone who sits at their comp 12 hours a day playing games and can't get along with others. Than you got Daybreak's lawyers pushing as many MTX into the game as possible and than you have heavy handed moderation banning people for not going along with group think. There is zero chance this is anything but trash.
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That doesn't matter though, the conversation was about 'are xp pots pay to win'. Getting hung up on the definition of 'winning' is missing the point. People against pay to win usually are concerned with any way to influence player power through external, additional payment.
It's easy, for a given duration D, does the cash shop item change the outcome of two perfectly spherical, frictionless ideal players who are playing at the same level? If yes, then it is paying for player power, ergo pay to win. At that point, you are arguing over differing degrees of 'how bad it is', but the seal has been broken.
I don't know why this is such an argument here. EQ is an old game that has been p2w for a long time and it is fully embraced and utilized by the current playing population across the board. EQL will continue that legacy.
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Pharone
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I'm just going to put this out there ...
I COULDN'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT WHO BEATS CONTENT FIRST.
Seriously. It's one of the stupidest fucking epeen things I have ever seen in the gaming industry.
These are games. GAMES. G A M E S!!!! The whole point of a GAME is to have FUN.
If that fun for you is being the first to beat something, then good for you. It does not mean that the game has to be designed in such away to enforce your desired form of "FUN" by making "racing to finish content" the main goal of the game's design.
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Pharone
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It's designed as a solo-able experience with full game consumption including raid content falling under that umbrella of accomplishable goals.
In practice, I have heard people saying that people DO group up in game though simply because it is a social game.
While the game is truly solo-able, there's something to be said about having different builds that fill a specific role and grouping/raiding with others that do the same thing to fill different roles as well. For instance, you could make one hell of a healer support class character by mixing Cleric/Enchanter/Bard. It wouldn't be a great solo build, but it would be the superman version of a healer/support role character. Put that in a group with someone that has built out the ultimate warrior build and another that has built out the king of all DPS build, and you start to see where an EQL group/raid force can be quite impressive given the right builds and players.
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Who are you arguing with little bro? Bragging rights / showing off progression has always been a part of MMOs since standing in town in cool looking armor was a thing. What games (outside of WoW hall of fame) even have 'racing to finish content' as some kind of game enforced 'fun'? You're yelling at clouds.
CLR/ENC/BRD was one of the most powerful builds in THJ. Leveraging insane ENC mana regen AAs and dopplegangers alongside BRD DDD spam and CLR specific armor/proc weapons.
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moonarchia
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Sorry, but win is part of the word, so how it is defined is extremely salient to the conversation. That is something that differs from server to server. For servers where there is no competition there is no win or loss condition.
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Is it your contention that if the cash shop offered fully leveled characters with every class/race unlocked and sold raid gear directly for daybreak bucks, that wouldn't classify as pay to win because there is no way to win on the server?
You can believe that but at that point your definition of the terms is so at odds with what people mean colloquially that it's pointless for anyone to discuss things with you.
Pharone
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Probably the case, but those fucking clouds keep looking at me funny!
Yeah. I can see this being pretty fun trying to come up "ultimate" versions of character builds to fit specific roles. The fact that you have to level up each class from level 10 gives me mroe reason for replay as well because if I want to have multiple builds, I need to put the time in to getting the right classes to max level.
I see it as a really cool way to play an old game. I know it is going to irk the living fuck out of purest, but to me, fuck them. I want a fun game to play.
skylan
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It doesn't matter what your definition of FUN is lol, these mongrel devs are ensuring that no form of it will exist beyond the relief of avoidance of more tedium by swiping your CC.
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You would have loved THJ. More the pity this temu version is the first exposure EQ fans are getting to the concept. With no alts and the need to do end game shit to unlock new classes, they've really limited the space of 'experimentation' people can do. You're locked into your first (and usually worst) decisions for a long time.
THJ had it where you had so many alts, they had to add 'grouping' options in the character select menu so you could categorize them. Another neat thing was an NPC that let you put your class selection up to fate and would server announce the three random classes you were assigned. Discord was always alive with people min maxing different builds and giving them names (mag/bst/nec pet cuck, etc) and discussing itemization and AA priorities. That spirit of experimentation feels lost with the seemingly arbitrary limitations being put in the game. Again, another reason THJ was so good was no daybreak meddling. No 'well we have to have long lockouts to increase player retention' horseshit. Just good game attracting good players.
God, I really hope this all bombs and DBG goes out of business and the IP is just abandoned so the community can pick up the slack.
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Mrniceguy
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Never said that. Was just stating the reality of how TLPs work in terms of who "Wins" in that comment
But what i will say is
LONG grinds to max XP pot sales aren't my idea of fun.
7 Day lockout designed to timegate and keep you subbed aren't my idea of fun.
None of these designs are based off what's fun.
So i won't be playing this.
If those things are FUN to you congrats you're a retarded cuck. Enjoy your game made for retarded cucks.
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Burren
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That’s all you got? If someone has a different opinion than you, you just shit on them and throw insults?