Formula 1 and MotoGP - Racing

Cad said:

Lewis is definitely a complete faggot politically, but that move was a racing incident. Especially against Mr. swerve-in-the-braking-zone Verstappen, if you don't make aggressive moves you will NOT pass him. Verstappen assumed he could shut the door there and Lewis would lift - knowing he'd be punted if Lewis didn't. Both of them assumed the other would leave room when neither had to.

The result was bad for Max, obviously - and it could have gone either way. They were both playing with fire.

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I don't agree, he was left plenty of room to take the corner, he ran wide unnecessarily. Was nowhere near the apex. We're not talking about some amateur here, he knows that track as well as anyone and can position that car exactly where he wants to.

He got a penalty for it so the officials thought the same thing and put the blame squarely on him. It's too bad that the penalty they gave him amounts to nothing while his only real competition in the championship gets to watch the finish from the hospital.

My interpretation is that ham was too far right at the turn-in point, making his turn too severe and causing a bit of understeer. I don't think he missed the apex on purpose.

But he was behind, corner was max's. Ham should have backed out of it. Max could have given a little more space maybe, but that's a really fast corner and you need most of the width to make it on full fuel.

They may end up needing to clarify what "alongside" means.

Max needs to stop doing stupid things. I said that the very first year he was a driver. Doing stupid things is standing between himself and a WDC. He gave Hamilton an opportunity to crash him out, and Ham took it.

Kharzette said:

My interpretation is that ham was too far right at the turn-in point, making his turn too severe and causing a bit of understeer. I don't think he missed the apex on purpose.

But he was behind, corner was max's. Ham should have backed out of it. Max could have given a little more space maybe, but that's a really fast corner and you need most of the width to make it on full fuel.

They may end up needing to clarify what "alongside" means.

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There was plenty of room on that corner, regardless of speed. You can actually see Max turn right into the apex unnecessarily, simply to squeeze Lewis. It didn't work.

Racing incident. Both racers. Both wanted to win. Let's move on.

From my understanding the lack performance of Haas this year is due to them putting their efforts into getting their 2022 car worked out. Think of what Brawn GP did in 2009

It does sound like a poor trade, such a weak year this year. In the hope of a strong car under the new regs. But the guy can do what he wants with his money I guess.

However, I'm confident they'll be quite a different team next year.

Gamma Rays said:

From my understanding the lack performance of Haas this year is due to them putting their efforts into getting their 2022 car worked out. Think of what Brawn GP did in 2009

It does sound like a poor trade, such a weak year this year. In the hope of a strong car under the new regs. But the guy can do what he wants with his money I guess.

However, I'm confident they'll be quite a different team next year.

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That could be, but I get the strong feeling Gene is looking for an out and not wanting to pump a lot of money into the effort. Their current approach is one that will ensure they never see the front end of the field.

Cad said:

Hakkinen: When you're racing at speed these things happen

Mika Hakkinen has described the collision between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton at the British Grand Prix as a "pure racing incident".

www.grandprix247.com

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And now that asshole Helmut says they have an attorney to investigate Lewis' attempted murder. It's getting ridiculous.

Alonso greatest wingman of all time haha. That was a great fight

Lewis looked wiped out. I wonder if his drinks thing was broken.

Dutch GP on september 5th is definitely happening. It was still up in the air with the covid restrictions and some greenies filed a suit about how it would disrupt the habitat of some frog. They're only allowing 2/3rds of the stands to be filled though. Still, first Dutch GP in over 30 years and it's a real oldschool track (most of it was built in the 1940s) which hopefully will mean a fun race. Japan is out for this year though.

Going to be very orange! Is that Assen where the motoGP bikes go?

Yea the above is Zandvoort, which is the track that will be used in F1 (and was in the past). Assen is used for MotoGP. There was some discussion of using Assen for F1 because it's way more accessible traffic wise (you need to cross a dense urban area to get to Zandvoort) but it doesn't have the F1 heritage of course.

The last turn into the straight has been revamped and is inspired by (and named after) Arie Luyendyk (who won the Indy 500 and was the Netherlands' most internationally successful driver before Max). It's oval-like, strongly banked and has a wall instead of an overrun.

It's a roller coaster ride.

Super pumped to see Danny and Lando in 1-2. Expected a really boring race and it ended up being pretty exciting. Hope 2022 and beyond is just as fun with closer cars and more passing.

LMAO...Mazepin 21st place in a field of 20. I hope we get another reserve driver racing on sunday so that number can be pushed to 22.

Marc is amazing, but I can't figure out what he does there that makes him so fast. He probably had half a second in his pocket even with his messed up shoulder.