Gender and Race Equality

AladainAF_sl said:

But this is the exact problem. You can't be ok with trannies getting called what they want and not getting shit on for using the wrong toilet, at the same time turning your discrimination on when it comes to participating in sports.

If you're fine with dudes deciding to be chicks then that goes all the way. You don't make exclusions. So no, you tell yourself you're ok with it, but you're really not. It's like the "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but..." comments.

Things like this show how ridiculous the entire thing is.

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I can most definitely make exclusions about how I feel regarding people of varying types socially, how I personally interact with them, and how I feel about them from a scientific standpoint. Hence my separation that I am ok with whatever socially as long as it isn't a direct infringement on another person. Like people who think they are wolves and running around in the woods is fine; be a fucking majestic loco beast all you want. When you run up and bite somebody, you go to jail regardless of how normal it is for wolves to do that shit. But until that point, sure, be what you want. Dress like a girl and use the ladies room. When you molest a woman in one? You go to jail. So yeah, I'm socially ok with them. I think trannies are by and large nutcases, but no different than I feel about hardcore conservatives or religious people or Blue-Hair SJWs or any other group I have logical reasons to disagree with their opinion of how reality works. But I am never going to say that any of those aforementioned groups should be denied access to basic privileges and rights, -right- up until it directly infringes upon other people in a real negative manner.

And it has no bearing whatsoever how I feel about trannies in sports. Gender has a much more direct impact on physical build than race/location/any-other-factor(unless you are strictly considering nutrition or something strange like that as opposed to actual biological differences in physical makeup, but hey, if you want to go that road we can!) Look at the worlds fastest female runner times.



Location changes the difference in mens' fastest speeds to a small degree. Small parts of a second. While the -fastest- man alive (even taking into consideration his location) is only .5s faster than a lot of other male runners, he is almost 1.0s faster than the Fastest woman in olympic history, and closer to 1.5 seconds faster at the 100m dash than almost any other woman ever.

So yeah, there's a biological difference between men and women that is undeniable, and a tranny is not whatever gender they claim they are from a biological standpoint. Location can be attributed to nigerians/kenyans running all sorts of fast times, but the simple fact that Usain Bolt is a man gives him an undeniable edge vs. female competitors, regardless of where the females were raised/what country they come from.

If you want to argue the moral implications of treating the absolute definition of a special case (trannies are less than 1 in 10,000 in the US) as a special case when it comes to sports, I don't know what to tell you. But allowing people who were born as men (specifically one-way here. Women who bro out and want to compete as men? Sure, go in with a handicap, because that is an undeniable handicap when it comes to physical activity) to compete as women is a huge slap in the face to any female athlete, regardless how one views them socially. It is a literal leg up that race/location cannnot compete with, and a much stronger biological one for that matter. There's a lot less difference between a black kenyan and a white guy from michigan than either compared to any race/ethnicity/national female that isn't a huuuuge special case (as always comes up in these arguments, hermaphrodites are an exception, also an exceedingly rare one).

Socially trannies can be called whatever they want. I might think it's dumb, but I'm not burning down churches or setting fire to Tea Party rallies either. I let them do their thing because it doesn't impact me or others based upon their presence. However, it most certainly -does- have an impact when mtf try to play competitive sports as a female. It's a strict biological advantage.

I'll toss some more numbers out for giggles and shits to further highlight the difference between a black kenyan vs. another male and the gender Male vs. the gender Female.

Female bench press: 507lbs
Male bench press: (not even going to use the highest here) 675lbs

Fastest female marathon: 2:18:59
Fastest male marathon: 2:03:55

So yes, there's a strict biological difference between men and women when it comes to physicality. Scale those numbers down to averages, and there is still an undeniable advantage as a gender for men.

Wonder how much money I can make in the WNBA.

Sebudai_sl said:

Wonder how much money I can make in the WNBA.

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Well, how good are your fundamentals?

Compared to guys? I could maybe make a college team if I was 10 years younger. Compared to chicks? I'm John Stockton.

Probably not that much. They tend to get paid shit; even the uh... "superstars." hahaha.

WNBA average salary: $107,000
NBA average salary: $4,900,00

That digit, yo.

Granted....

Average height for NBA player: 6'7" (this was from 2015, so might be less/more, but hey, averages)
Average height for WNBA player: 6' (admittedly, getting odd numbers for this. Some tall chick was 6'8" and she's third tallest ever in WNBA, but third tallest NBA player ever is 7'6.5")

Few points:

Seattle guy was most likely just a creeper, and just taking advantage of shitty legal loopholes in WA state legislature. Possibly an activist trying to protest the vague wording of many laws regarding how trannies are handled from state to state. Exceptions to common sense exist, and it really comes down to the establishment he was frequenting to handle the issue appropriately. That guy was most definitely infringing upon their rights, but really those rights are up for question in WA due to how the laws are worded. Exceptions happen to everything, and there's always people trying to push the limits of what is socially and legally acceptable.

As for girls getting over it? Yeah, they probably should. The US is one of the most ridiculously conservative nations on earth when it comes to nudity in general. People have a right to be offended, but that doesn't mean law should be written around their being offended. As I said previously, I think Tea Party members and SJWs are nutjobs for the most part. I am 100% against SJW/Tea Party ideals becoming actual laws in 99% of instances, and I am offended by the majority of nonsense I see coming out of those movements. That doesn't mean that we should outlaw SJWs/Tea Partiers or have specific SJW/Tea Party-friendly zones. They're a part of society (in trannies case, a very small part) so it really comes down to the rest of us to just "get over it" when we see them out and about. Now doing specifically creeper style antics, like if said dude who dropped his shorts in front of the girls had a raging hard on and was just staring at them? Yeah, I would hope that person was removed, because that's some incredibly creepy action regardless of male/female. Really the easiest fix for the entire locker-room issue is to take a stall approach for both genders and call it a day. But personally? Case by case basis instead of blanket law, because pervs and creepers most certainly can and do exist.

My quip about the guy dressing like a girl and using the restroom was exactly that: a quip. It was merely for emphasis that until you start doing something illegal I honestly don't care for the most part either way. Women's restrooms are all stalls, and unless porn slumber party movies are correct, they're not all just standing around topless in the restroom doing their makeup. Unisex bathrooms are easy: all stalls and no troughs. The people who leave doors open so you can see their asses or whatever else happens is the same regardless of whether you are letting men use all restrooms or not. Some people are just shitty people, and it should always be dealt with on a case by case basis as to what is over the line. Guys spread eagle over the top of a stall shitting from 5ft above for Expert Mode target practice are just as reprehensible(OR ARE THEY?! Achievement Unlocked) regardless of what room they are. Do women get offended by hearing men piss/shit? I get pretty offended when I sit in the stall next to somebody who is taking a massive dump and groaning combined with a horrendous smell. Certainly doesn't make my day. Also generally doesn't ruin it. Women would get used to guys taking dumps/pissing in the stall next to them probably pretty quickly. And the creepers would have to be dealt with exactly the same regardless whether it was socially acceptable to have guys in the ladies room or not.

Sports stuff... aside from a couple extreme outliers in the chick swimming something that simply almost nobody else has tried, in long distance swimming, men generally have less of a strict advantage due to overall buoyancy. However, long distance swimming is still generally more favorable for men.Will women soon outperform men in open-water ultra-distance swimming in the 'Maratona del Golfo Capri-Napoli'?But I will concede and say that this is the one sport possibly where women might have a biological advantage.

Gymnastics is a bit trickier, however musculature is still going to outweigh female to male abilities as an average when it comes to 4/6 events for males. Men, simply put, carry more muscle than women at comparable weights. So even a tiny little girl isn't going to do the rings to the same level that a born male gymnast would. Really the only area where the girl would be even would be the stylistic challenges, vault and the floor show. Since those are much more subjective vs. objective such as times etc, it would most likely be taken into account subconsciously. But in 4/6 gymnastic events, men would outperform women strictly due to biology, where the remaining two would depend heavily on style, which isn't really gender specific so much as it is judge bias specific.

For the rest? If women are that upset about using locker rooms with dudes having their dongs flopped out (granted, those people are generally a minority even in men's locker rooms) then they should ask their gym to provide better accommodations. If a guy is legitimately creeping? The establishment in question should remove or monitor them. No different from pedos hanging out in the boys room watching the trough for bait.

No matter how much I think that trannies are suffering from mental issues, they are here to stay until science proves them to be nutjobs. Socially, they are just a thing now that has to be accounted for. But when it comes to competitive sports, people born as men should not be able to compete as women because it is an undeniable across the board advantage minus one sport at extreme distance, and even that isn't really super specific since the longest distance ever is some guy from Croatia. But I'll concede that one. So the exception is extreme long distance swimming out of -every- physical sport. That tells me pretty easily that men have a strict physical advantage in competitive sports due to biological gender.

What's to stop a dude from claiming he's a woman, going into a locker room, literally staring at girls, then masturbating?

I would hope that there's a logical distinction between seeing a flacid penis vs. someone gratifying themself for most people. If you mean a guy goes into the female locker room to stare at naked girls, then heads to the restroom to jerk off? Not much in states where it is allowed! I don't get fully naked in the locker room when I go to the gym because I like air drying my balls with a hair dryer while standing like I'm about to toss a javelin, which I get might be uncomfortable for some people to see regardless of gender, so when I do hit the gym I generally go home to change/shower. I haven't wandered around too many ladies changing rooms to know what the generic layout is, but movies have trained me to believe that they always have towels present. If there's a guy legitimately just jogging around trying to peep on broads, I'd hope they would inform the establishment. And if the establishment doesn't do anything? Either accept it or switch gyms. Really depends on state legislature though.

sadris_sl said:

What's to stop a dude from claiming he's a woman, going into a locker room, literally staring at girls, then masturbating?

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Common fucking decency and the rest of us participating in civilized society.

You have an exuberance of faith in the balls of 16 year Olds.

I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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Tanoomba_sl said:

You think a lot of sixteen year olds would put a death sentence on their social lives and reputation just to bust a nut in a locker room?

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I hate these arguments though. It's like that WA case or whatever where when they made the bathrooms tranny friendly a guy walks in and says "im trans". just to make some stupid point or whatever. Like the people who open carry rifles down main streets in suburban towns....yea, cause you need that. It's stupid, it's just to show off and purposefully cause a scene.

I'm of the attitude of "who gives a fuck" about all this, but clearly society doesn't operate that way. So it goes all the way back to my point about sports, which can be made about bathrooms too. If we are going to say trans people can play/pee where ever then we MUST define what trans is, the same way we define all sorts of stupid shit.

Lleauaric_sl said:

I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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"It was in one of these predominantly white spaces, a restaurant with a mostly-white clientele, that I first ran headlong into Kevin's unrealized racism. I'd just learned that he and all his friends carried four-inch pocket knives (or "box openers," as they liked to call them), and I was kinda freaked out by it. My weapons tend to be off-label weapons, like my keys, a pen, or my purse. I only had one friend who carried a gun, and nobody carried knives. Now, I was sitting surrounded by armed white men."

...fuck off.

Lleauaric_sl said:

I figured you guys would lose your minds over this one.. fucking hysterical.. poor Kevin.

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The Trayvon Martin case is where I started to believe that black people are intentionally set up to fail by the media.

edit - Also this girl is super, super racist. I'm sorry she feels the way that she does, I don't know what she has gone through, but she's come out the other end full of hate and eager to be offended.

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It is his job to shoulder the burden of his ancestors

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Take your concept of sin and shove it up your ass.