GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

If Mel doesn't head back to Castle Black then I could see Stannis dying in the battle for Wintefell, Mel sacrificing Shireen to resurrect 'the lord of light's champion' but Stannis stays dead and Jon wakes up back at the wall. More likely is that Mel will head back north for whatever reason.

Their constant Stonemen/Greyscale references finally paid off and I wonder what else will. With the repeated mentions of Oldtown it's safe to bet Sam will be headed there soon. The constant R+L=J hints are painfully obvious for book readers but I'm curious how show watchers will react to that if it is revealed. Will they even give a shit? They've mentioned the Winterfell crypts a few times this season as well.

Why would Jon be the lord of light's champion? Shit he didn't even let Mance burn proper. If anything lord of light is salty at him.

There's any number of reasons for Mel to head back to the wall, the cheapest and easiest of which is just she "saw it in the flames" or whatever. If she has the same visions of Jon being her champ like in the book, that's all the reason she'll need to try the prayer on him.

spronk_sl said:

also at the end of this season we won't need 2 threads anymore, right?

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I imagine they'll stay separate just for the asinine arguments about what was changed from the books. Plus, there's the unlikely event where Winds of Winter actually gets released between this season and next, and there would end up being book discussion.

That said, it really is just becoming a completely different story. I mean, how much fucking time was dedicated to Griff? And apparently he's entirely inconsequential to the entire story. Same with Victarion. Like, absolutely massive amounts of book space were dedicated to those characters and they're 100% unimportant. It's kind of depressing as I feel like I wasted a fuck load of time reading the last two books.

Jon will get rezzed. There is too much set-up on that for it to go a different way. Whether or not he'll remember he's Jon or if others will recognize him as Jon is a different story. He still has his wolf, and magic Mel and Bran are both nearby. There isn't much to do with the story if he doesn't get rezzed. Of course he could also run off wounded rather than die. I just don't see him being permanently removed from the board.

Elurin_sl said:

I imagine they'll stay separate just for the asinine arguments about what was changed from the books. Plus, there's the unlikely event where Winds of Winter actually gets released between this season and next, and there would end up being book discussion.

That said, it really is just becoming a completely different story. I mean, how much fucking time was dedicated to Griff? And apparently he's entirely inconsequential to the entire story. Same with Victarion. Like, absolutely massive amounts of book space were dedicated to those characters and they're 100% unimportant. It's kind of depressing as I feel like I wasted a fuck load of time reading the last two books.

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Griff could be bringing a plague of greyscale with him that plays a major role. Young Griff probably isn't a real Targ or a contender for the Iron Throne but his army and the trouble it's causing will probably play a big part in some important events. Victorian brings with him a way to get Dany to Westero. Maybe they didn't deserve the amount of time spent on them in the books but they're not 100% unimportant. They're just the result of a writer trying to stay somewhat consistent with time, distance and his fictional history.

The show doesn't give a shit about that. Characters teleport around Westeros like nobodies business, others move slow as molasses. Yara sailed 10,000+ miles to turn around because of some dogs. When you can ignore distance, and don't have pages of back story on each random house you can just do whatever you want. Jorah can get greyscale because he could get to travel to Westeros in half a day. They could give Dany a fleet of ships for any random reason. Since they've erased Quentyn and Arianne Martell Dorne can take the place of Young Griffs invading army.

Cad_sl said:

I think when there is literally nobody else of note in the entire area, the one character in that area essentially has plot armor. If they kill Jon, who is left at the wall with any character development whatsoever? Stannis and Mel are gone, Sam is gone, the show hasn't developed any other characters at the wall at all. With the red wedding it was the boltons and freys, who had decent character development up to that time. With Joffrey it was Cersei and Margaery that took over the plot in that area. If they kill Jon it will be....?

Thats the kind of meta-analysis I'm using to figure out who is safe, since they have ruthlessly culled the don't-matter characters from the show.

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If they wanted to kill Jon outright they could have the White Walkers immediately attack and destroy the wall and start marching to Winterfell. A lot of important characters in Winterfell.

HUH_sl said:

Griff could be bringing a plague of greyscale with him that plays a major role. Young Griff probably isn't a real Targ or a contender for the Iron Throne but his army and the trouble it's causing will probably play a big part in some important events. Victorian brings with him a way to get Dany to Westero. Maybe they didn't deserve the amount of time spent on them in the books but they're not 100% unimportant. They're just the result of a writer trying to stay somewhat consistent with time, distance and his fictional history.

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I'm just saying the books spent an inordinate amount of time for characters that got completely chopped from the show. All the theorizing that Griff could have been a true Targ and the legitimate heir to the throne have been wiped out, because he's obviously not important enough to introduce to the show. If he's that insignificant, then it clearly means his story wasn't really going anywhere. Sure, he may bring some kind of greyscale plague to Westeros, but it'll end up being a small sidenote to the entire story. Griff and Victarion were billed as important for one reason or another. They weren't just mashing together Sansa and Jeyne Poole for convenience. But their absence means that it was all a farce.

In the end, those characters may as well have been pages and pages of meal descriptions.

Cad_sl said:

I think when there is literally nobody else of note in the entire area, the one character in that area essentially has plot armor. If they kill Jon, who is left at the wall with any character development whatsoever? Stannis and Mel are gone, Sam is gone, the show hasn't developed any other characters at the wall at all. With the red wedding it was the boltons and freys, who had decent character development up to that time. With Joffrey it was Cersei and Margaery that took over the plot in that area. If they kill Jon it will be....?

Thats the kind of meta-analysis I'm using to figure out who is safe, since they have ruthlessly culled the don't-matter characters from the show.

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ahhh, don't you know about the snow snakes? 5 transvestites who are all warriors from beyond the wall, they are secretly sons of the first Ranger who knelt before the king beyond the wall, and chopped off their dicks which they wield in battle. no man can stand before them, except the one prophesied who is the king of the dick choppers

Weren't The Hightowers/Oldtown allowed to stay out of quarrels in the realm due to the importance of the city? I thought I remember that being mentioned somewhere

Well it is worth noting that George R R Martin isn't necessarily some savant of storytelling. He decided to make a trilogy about a War of the Roses-like situation that takes place in a fantasy setting with a backdrop of an impending cataclysm between Ice and Fire. Everything stems from that primary base and is dramatic twists and turns designed to keep the reader / viewer guessing.

Part of the reason it has been so successful is because it places the reader in a position where they feel powerful because they know a heck of a lot more about what is going on than any of the characters. The reader knows there is significance to the White Walkers, to the Red God's magic starting to work again, nature magic, dragons, children of the forest etc. Its hard not to like a story where you, as the reader, are made to feel particularly smart for figuring out things the characters are blissfully ignorant of.

bixxby_sl said:

So John is going to get Omar'd by a kid while he's gettin some soup now?

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If you have TiVo it's easy to cheat ahead... So no.. At least not soon.

The foreshadowing was obvious to everyone except Astro. He probably thinks the hound is dead too in the books.